Virginia, Michigan vs UCLA

<p>Well, now I have. I'd love to see data comparing only the same classes, though, and I'd be interested to see how the different disciplines and departments are populated (as in numbers of freshmen admits and transfers) compared with their average GPAs. Heck, lets just see for each class who got what. I don't think transfers are dumb or dumber than freshmen admits on average. I have no idea. However, I recognize that the GPAs compared from the freshmen and the transfers could show different experiences, ie Berkeley weeders and lower div classes vs almost none of these things. </p>

<p>The unsubstantiated "99.9%" is unnecessary, jags.</p>

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At the end of the fall 2000 semester, the average GPA of transfer students was 3.37, compared with 3.28 for all students."

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<p>To be fair, part of this is because freshmen and sophomores usually have to take large intro classes that are often weeders (Math 1B, UGBA 10, etc.) which give a large proportion of failing grades. As you move into upper division classes, the grading often gets easier. I'm not saying transfers are weaker; I'm just offering a possible explanation for why transfers supposedly have a higher GPA.</p>

<p>The states of California, Michigan, and Virginia all seem to have strong community college systems. The trend for all of these flagship universities seems to be to take more and more community college transfers. If this trend continues, it might evolve into a new paradigm for public higher education that would respond to the growing number of students who want to go to these top universities without the universities having to expand. In other words, except for athletes and top top students who get in as freshmen, these universities might become more-or-less geared towards junior and senior years. The majority of students would get all their intro and basic courses out of the way during one or two years at a community college, and then transfer to the flagship to finish off their undergrad years. The universities would produce almost twice as many graduates without having to build more facilities or hire significantly more faculty.</p>

<p>Michigan and UVA accept 1 transfer student for every 10-15 freshman they accept. The UC system accepts a far larger portion.</p>

<p>I think UVa is planning to expand that or emphasize CC transfers from instate. Part of an agreement with the state. Just started this year.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2006/07/admission_program.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2006/07/admission_program.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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we forget that 30% of berkeley's student body have transfered from community colleges

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I think the actual number is closer to 20% (maybe a little below that). Not all of the transfers came from community colleges

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Looks like both of you have underestimated the % transfers at the UC's. Here are the stats based on 2005-06 data:</p>

<p>(Transfer applied/admitted/enrolled)...(Freshman enrolled/total UG)</p>

<p>Michigan...(2898/1296/909)...(6115/25467)
Virgiinia....(2102/849/577).....(3112/14213)
UCB.........(10439/3020/1994)...(4277/23482)
UCLA.......(13189/4076/3150)...(4422/24811)</p>

<p>...............(%transfer/freshman enrolled)
Michigan ... 14.9%
Virginia ..... 18.5%
UCB ......... 46.6%
UCLA ........ 71.2%</p>

<p>Depends....the four schools have different strengths:</p>

<p>For undergrad busines I'd take UVa.
For grad business I would take UVa or UMich.
For liberal arts/social sciences I'd take UVa.
For engineering/sciences I'd take Cal.</p>

<p>But it's not really clear to me what UCLA's strength is.</p>

<p>GoBlue - Transfers aren't enrolling as freshmen though. They're usually juniors or sophomores. So the "transfers enrolled" number crosses more than one class. </p>

<p>If you want to use those numbers to estimate the percentage of transfers in the student body, multiply the number of transfers enrolled by four (to estimate four years' worth of transfers) and divide by the total undergraduate population. You'll get about 33%.</p>

<p>Of course that's not really the best way of going about things. I'm sure the actual statistic can't be too hard to dig up.</p>

<p>Ok, In the case of all transfers are juniors, then % of transfers will half of the GOBLUE's #</p>

<p>Michigan 7.45%
Virginia 9.75%
UBC 23.3%
UCLA 35.6%</p>

<p>For undergrad business I'd take Berkeley
For grad business I would take Berkeley
For liberal arts/social sciences I'd take Berkeley
For engineering/sciences I'd take Berkeley</p>

<p>Now, Did I just make the cut? ;)</p>

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UBC 23.3%

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<p>University of British Columbia?</p>

<p>Correction,</p>

<p>UCB (UC-Berkeley) 23.3% transfer students</p>

<p>I never knew these schools accepted so many transfer students. Is it easier to get into UCLA as a community college transfer than as a freshman?</p>

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<p>Yes and no.</p>

<p>UCLA had over 99, 000 applicants for the fall of 2013. Of those, 80 thousand were freshman applicants, and around 20 thousand or so were transfers. The admit rate for the most recently enrolled freshman class (fall 2012) was 18% for freshman, but 30% for transfers. The yield for both freshman and transfers is also pretty high, at 40% and 60% respectively. </p>

<p>I think they strive to make the university 2/3s freshman and 1/3rd transfers. So, since there are more freshman applicants, you have a higher chance of being admitted as a transfer than as a freshman**</p>

<p>c.f. </p>

<p>[Profile</a> of Admitted Freshmen, Fall 2012 - UCLA Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof12.htm]Profile”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof12.htm)</p>

<p>[Profile</a> of Admitted Transfer Students, Fall 2012 - UCLA Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/Adm_tr/Tr_Prof12.htm]Profile”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/Adm_tr/Tr_Prof12.htm)</p>

<p>**the keen reader will have noticed that I never addressed the ‘no’ part of my answer. The reason I said no, is because international students, both for freshman and transfers, have the highest admit rates of any of the student applicants (32.7% and 31.5%) compared to 19% for in-state freshman and 28% for in-state transfers. So the easiest way to get into UCLA is being an international student, which isn’t surprising since they’re raising hundreds of millions of dollars from OOS tuition.</p>

<p>A 6 1/2 year old thread? Really? The college landscape is different now.</p>

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<p>Indeed. We need to replace Virginia with Ohio State in the near future. :)</p>

<p>More than $ half-billion spent on renovating the Main Library (Thompson), Student Union (Ohio Union) and Gymnasium (RPAC) in the last 3 years.</p>

<p>$ Half-billion on expanding faculty hiring. And another $ half-billion on a dozen new dormitories to host the Sophomore whom will be required to live in the dorm starting 2016. </p>

<p>South Campus high-rise renovation to cost $171M</p>

<p>[Ohio</a> State students have mixed feelings about $396M North Campus renovations - Campus - The Lantern - Ohio State University](<a href=“http://www.thelantern.com/campus/ohio-state-students-have-mixed-feelings-about-396m-north-campus-renovations-1.2891427#.UP7ioWf0_JE]Ohio”>http://www.thelantern.com/campus/ohio-state-students-have-mixed-feelings-about-396m-north-campus-renovations-1.2891427#.UP7ioWf0_JE)</p>

<p>Trustees approve $396M plan to revamp North Campus</p>

<p>[Trustees</a> approve $396M plan to revamp North Campus - Campus - The Lantern - Ohio State University](<a href=“http://www.thelantern.com/campus/trustees-approve-396m-plan-to-revamp-north-campus-1.2890290#.UP7jVWf0_JE]Trustees”>http://www.thelantern.com/campus/trustees-approve-396m-plan-to-revamp-north-campus-1.2890290#.UP7jVWf0_JE)</p>

<p>The bold plan for an Ohio State Arts District is well under way
<a href=“Another%20$200+%20million%20for%20the%20Art%20District%20on%20campus”>I</a>*</p>

<p><a href=“http://oncampus.osu.edu/2012/03/the-bold-plan-for-an-ohio-state-arts-district-is-well-under-way/[/url]”>http://oncampus.osu.edu/2012/03/the-bold-plan-for-an-ohio-state-arts-district-is-well-under-way/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Ohio State hires fundraiser behind $3B-plus campaigns at Johns Hopkins, UCLA</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2012/09/25/ohio-state-hires-fundraiser-behind.html?page=all[/url]”>http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2012/09/25/ohio-state-hires-fundraiser-behind.html?page=all&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Go Bucks!! ^o^v</p>

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<p>Well that’s just crazy talk.</p>

<p>Go Blue ;)</p>

<p>OSU is staying put, and UVa is unlikely to join the Big 10, but it could happen.</p>

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<p>RANKINGS</p>

<p>THE WORLD UNIVERSITY RANKINGS 2011-2012:
UVA: 135, TOSU 57 (TOSU >> UVA)</p>

<p>TOP UNIVERSITIES BY REPUTATION 2010-2011:
UVA: Not Ranked, TOSU 54 (TOSU >>> UVA)</p>

<p>*USNEWS 2012 Best Colleges
UVA 25, TOSU 55 (UVA > TOSU)</p>

<p>The Washington Monthly 2011
UVA 53, TOSU 42 (TOSU > UVA)</p>

<p>World’s Best Universities: Top 400:
UVA: 126, TOSU 111 (TOSU > or = UVA) </p>

<p>*Taken from my last year’s post. Go Bucks!! :)</p>

<p>UCLA constantly ranks higher than both Michigan and UVA.</p>

<p>US News National University Rankings
UCLA #24
UVA #24
Michigan #29
[National</a> University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp+50]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp+50)</p>

<p>US News Top Public Schools
UCLA #2
UVA #2
Michigan #4
[Top</a> Public Schools | Rankings | Top National Universities | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public]Top”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public)</p>

<p>Washington Monthly Rankings
UCLA #6
Michigan #13
UVA #48
[National</a> University Rankings 2012 | Washington Monthly](<a href=“http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/rankings_2012/national_university_rank.php]National”>http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/rankings_2012/national_university_rank.php)</p>

<p>World University Rankings
UCLA #13
Michigan #20
UVA #118
[World</a> University Rankings 2012-2013](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012-13/world-ranking]World”>World University Rankings 2013-14 | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>

<p>Top universities by reputation 2012
UCLA #9
Michigan #12
UVA #not ranked
<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012/reputation-ranking[/url]”>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012/reputation-ranking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>UCLA also has the most NCAA Championships.
<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_schools_with_the_most_national_championships[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_schools_with_the_most_national_championships&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>UCLA also receives the most applications in the country.
<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2011/10/06/10-colleges-that-receive-the-most-applications[/url]”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2011/10/06/10-colleges-that-receive-the-most-applications&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;