Virginia, Michigan vs UCLA

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<p>Thanks, goldenboy, for dredging up a 6+ year-old thread. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Anyone who states that UCLA has lower 25th and 75th %-ile scores other than u’s outside of HYPSMC and a few others, even if you did this six years ago, Alexandre, should realize the motivation of UCLA’s administration is to understate scores, especially at its admissions website, which later passes on to the CDS and IPEDS. I did a light analysis of [this](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-los-angeles/1449174-why-ucla-so-selective.html#post15402502”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-los-angeles/1449174-why-ucla-so-selective.html#post15402502&lt;/a&gt;) on the UCLA board, which I don’t claim to be perfect, but was more to point out that UCLA likes to understate scores to boost the confidence of lower-income students who can’t buy good scores, ie, tries to get them to apply even with seeming significantly lower scores.</p>

<p>And UCLA’s engineering programs are nothing to denigrate. UCLA’s E programs are extremely hard in which to gain entry, and it places its students well in Silicon, So-Cal aerospace, and SD’s bioengineering companies/firms. You can argue all you want about how UM’s engineering programs are more highly rated, but UCLA’s E programs place very well, in a hotbed for E industries.</p>

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<p>drax, I personally do not think there is a difference in SAT/ACT ranges between most top public universities. Like UCLA, most public universities deemphasize standardized test scores out of fairness to lower income applicants. I merely put up the range to prove that there is no difference in selectivity between Michigan, UCLA and UVa. A 100 point difference in the SAT CR+M (or 2 point difference in the ACT) ranges is insignificant as far as I am concerned.</p>

<p>As for Engineering, we will simply have to agree to disagree. I think UCLA is very good in Engineering, but I think Michigan is better by a noticeable margin.</p>

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<p>Virginia (UVA) and Michigan (Ann Arbor) are in the same league as Berkeley. UCLA is a step down.</p>

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<p>^^^I disagree, at least in terms of academics. Cal>Michigan slightly ahead of UCLA>UVA. The greatest difference between the four schools are in the STEM fields, where overall Berkeley leads in most areas and the rest follow behind.</p>

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<p>There more or less all peers. Whether one is ‘better’ than the other depends on what factor you’re emphasizing. </p>

<p>UCLA has the second best university hospital behind Hopkins. It’s ranked five out of thousands of hospitals. Berkeley has no hospital or med. school. (no UCSF doesn’t count) </p>

<p>It’s university budget is twice (or nearly twice) as high as UVAs; (not sure what Michigan’s is) </p>

<p>It’s international reputation edges out both Michigan and UVA (although a smaller margin by the former) and it’s the youngest of all the four schools (it isn’t even 100 years old yet.)</p>

<p>All four of these universities have great things about them. It’s really too close to call between any of them. The only university I’d admit has a slight edge is Berkeley (and I mean very slight.)</p>

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Clearly with the addition and subtraction of the different countries in the methodology, universities besides Cambridge and Oxford will move up or down a lot depending on where the Recruiters who are casting votes are hailing from. However, the order of American schools is pretty static and after eyeballing the top 20-30 American schools, the list looks pretty similar to the survey conducted last year by the French company Emerging polling industry CEOs.</p>

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That’s frankly quite insulting to MSU which is a recognizable B1G university and has national level recognition in some areas like Nuclear Physics, Supply Chain & Logistics, Agriculture, Manufacturing, etc. Michigan State sounds nothing like the University of Michigan.</p>

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There isn’t a predetermined list of universities presented to these HR Managers/Recruiters Alexandre; they just choose/rank schools which they think are the most desirable to pull candidates from. There actually does exist a Cornell College in Iowa but its nowhere in the same league as Cornell University so it didn’t make the list. Cornell College might not even make a Top 1,000 global college list. Its a small liberal arts college with very little clout internationally.</p>

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Those rankings are created by academics for the consumption of academics, not businesspeople or regular citizens in different countries. Obtuse measurements like faculty publications in key journals, total volume of research, international diversity amongst professors, etc. have nothing to do with the prestige/reputation of a school on a global level in the eyes of Hiring Managers/CEOs/Recruiters.</p>

<p>At any rate, Michigan does very well on this list and beats out schools ranked ahead of it in USNWR like Wash U, Emory, Rice, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt. It is clearly a global force to be reckoned with as its top 100 ranking suggests.</p>

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Yet, a 0.3 difference in PA scores amongst universities is significant to you?</p>

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<p>“Michigan State sounds nothing like the University of Michigan.”</p>

<p>Many people called it Michigan University, particulary foreigners who do not speak English as their primary language. Michigan University sounds a lot like Michigan State University to anybody who doesn’t have an agenda.</p>

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<p>“Those rankings are created by academics for the consumption of academics, not businesspeople or regular citizens in different countries.”…in which case Duke almost always ranks lower than Michigan.</p>

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<p>COMPANY NEWS; Michigan Business School Gets $20 Million Donation</p>

<p>By DORON P. LEVIN
Published: June 26, 1991</p>

<p>An executive in the home-building industry who was reared in the Midwest and has been alarmed by the region’s waning manufacturing competitiveness today donated the largest gift ever by an individual to the business school of a public university.</p>

<p>Eli Broad (MSU Alum), 58 years old, the chairman of the Kaufman & Broad Home Corporation, is giving $20 million to the Michigan State University business school to strengthen its M.B.A. program and provide students skills to help American manufacturers compete more effectively.</p>

<p>“I’m saddened by the fact that as a result of its success the region has become insular and self-satisfied,” Mr. Broad said today. “Our position has declined, and I have an opportunity to make a small difference.”</p>

<p>He made his remarks before a news conference attended by Robert C. Stempel, the chairman of the General Motors Corporation, and Gov. John Engler of Michigan, both Michigan State graduates.</p>

<p>Mr. Broad said the money would be used to pay professors; to recruit students, especially from outside Michigan and the United States; to pay two new deans who will be in charge of the M.B.A. program and job placements, and to erect a $500,000 addition to the business school’s main building on the campus in East Lansing. Aid to American Companies</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/26/business/company-news-michigan-business-school-gets-20-million-donation.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/1991/06/26/business/company-news-michigan-business-school-gets-20-million-donation.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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on January 29, 2013 at 7:00 AM, updated January 29, 2013 at 7:10 AM</p>

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<p>Eli Broad donates artwork to Michigan State University museum
October 22, 2012|By David Ng</p>

<p><a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/22/entertainment/la-et-cm-eli-broad-donates-artwork-to-his-new-museum-at-msu-20121021[/url]”>http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/22/entertainment/la-et-cm-eli-broad-donates-artwork-to-his-new-museum-at-msu-20121021&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>MSU American Semester </p>

<p><a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/22/entertainment/la-et-cm-eli-broad-donates-artwork-to-his-new-museum-at-msu-20121021[/url]”>http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/22/entertainment/la-et-cm-eli-broad-donates-artwork-to-his-new-museum-at-msu-20121021&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>It’s great to have a billionaire alum (Mr. Eli Broad) who continues to give back to MSU. Go State!! :)</p>

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<p>“It’s great to have a billionaire alum (Mr. Eli Broad) who continues to give back to MSU.”</p>

<p>Yes, we know Sparkeye:</p>

<p>[Stephen</a> M. Ross Gives $100 Million to University of Michigan Business School](<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/communitycreation/story_1.htm]Stephen”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/communitycreation/story_1.htm)</p>

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<p>^^ Yes, I knew, rjk. :stuck_out_tongue: However, Mr. Broad has thus far given roughly the same amount in total to MSU over the decades. Most importantly, unlike Mr. Ross whose $100 million was given as 50/50 (50% as BEQUEST) = $50 million total thus far, Mr. Broad and tOSU’s Wexner gave no such restriction!!</p>

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<p>To dhl3: Your impression about UCLA being better known internationally is not true. I have had the advantage of working in 3 continents and the Berkeley and Michigan are most easily identified universities from USA. In fact the alumni base of these 2 universities, be it engineering or business, is far more than UVa or UCLA. I am not trying to talk about which one is better , just the ‘name recognition’ part of it. Also, note that people in other continents, read the ‘World University Rankings’ with more respect than that of USA News!</p>

<p>I don’t want to join any fight, as the OP may not have the exposure to different continents.</p>

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<p>Sparkeye:</p>

<p>Stephen Ross also gave five million dollars so Michigan could build this building:</p>

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<p>Michigan wants its athletes to have the best chance to graduate while in Ann Arbor. They are trying to make sure this doesn’t happen:</p>

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<p>In the meantime, this thread is about three top public universities in this country. Let’s try to keep it on point.</p>

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<p>“Also, note that people in other continents, read the ‘World University Rankings’ with more respect than that of USA News!”</p>

<p>UCLA is rated very highly in most of those rankings Rintu; even higher than Michigan. UVA seems to lag quite a bit behind compared to the other two.</p>

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<p>He given nearly 50m to UCLA, a university with whom he has no affiliation. (Our art building is named after him.) And according to Wikipedia, he’s given like 500m to Harvard, and more money to USC, MIT, and Caltech. There doesn’t seem to be a preference for MSU.</p>

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UCLA ranks above Michigan in almost every international survey and ranking out there so I’m not sure what you are talking about. Berkeley is in a different league than UCLA, Michigan, or UVA for sure. People can’t accept that there are two world class public universities in California for some reason.</p>

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Check the methodology of QS and ARWU so you can see how stupid it is.</p>

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<p>This all sounds like a playground fight. Come on, people. Virginia, Michigan, UCLA – all are fine universities. Each has its own special, well-recognized programs. Each draws primarily from its geographic region. Each appeals to certain students (ones who like cold weather/hot weather/the coast/the mountains/large cities/smaller communities/etc.)</p>

<p>As for international recognition, I’ve spent quite a bit of time overseas, and I can speak to the opinion of a number of European university students (i.e. the “educated person on the street”). :wink: Besides Harvard and Yale, the university that everyone I met seemed to have heard of, knew quite a bit about, and wanted to visit was (drum roll) UNC-Wilmington. Go figure.</p>

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<p>@beyphy,</p>

<p>How is it not preference to Michigan State? The state of Michigan is his root, and MSU diploma is the only degree in which he possesses. He could have given money to any of the school in the Midwest or Michigan for that matter, but he continues to give back to Michigan State over the decades, which has amounted to roughly $125 million thus far. Indeed, he also gave to nation’s most elite colleges such as Harvard and MIT for their pioneer works in cutting edge research as well as a few nearby California schools in which he resides these days, but that only translated into the fact that he is extremely generous imho. In short, both our long established business school and the spanking new art museum are named after him. Besides the $700 million FRIB in which the Feds are funding it, there has not been any project over $100 million at Michigan State at present; otherwise, I am certain that he would have given back more if approached by his Alma Mater. Go State!! :)</p>

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<p>According to the three main “International Rankings”, Michigan and UCLA are identical. Times has UCLA at #13 and Michigan at #20, QS has Michigan at #17 and UCLA at #31 and ARWU has UCLA at #12 and Michigan at #22. When one considers that there are over 2,500 universities in the US and over 5,000 in the World, universities ranked with 10 spots of each other are interchangeable. </p>

<p>Sparkeye, I am not sure how Broad fits in this thread. This thread is about Michigan, UCLA and UVa.</p>