Visit before or after

As others have mentioned, we started visiting/driving and walking through schools while on vacations, when visiting relatives or in our local area a few years before our kids were seniors, so they could get a sense of what “college” or “university”, “urban/rural” really meant. Being in the midwest, we are fortunate to have many good MT options that don’t require airfare. For our family’s circumstances, we - and S willingly agreed - to limit all applications to schools within a day’s drive from home (8 applications total). We knew that regardless of whatever financial aid he received, getting him home on holidays and breaks - or going to visit him - would be difficult for us. That made school visits during his junior year through early fall of senior year less of a hardship. Most were done on spring break and during the summer. Summer can be an interesting time to visit programs. While there are generally not many students around, and very few have any kind of rehearsals or productions to see, it was a good time to meet with faculty. With adequate lead time, some faculty members made special accommodations to be in their offices when we visited, perhaps scheduled a voice lesson, and sometimes gave personal tours of the department.

Wright State (perhaps others) have a masterclass day on the Friday before MT auditions. Again with advanced lead time, S received permission to attend the masterclass day as a junior. This was a terrific way to get a sense of the faculty and the program emphasis, but it also gave him a taste of what he would be going through as a senior during the real masterclass/audition weekend. (This took away some of the stress when the real deal rolled around in November of senior year - his very first audition.) The fall audition weekend also lines up with WSU’s main stage musical. Masterclass day with a 3-hour musical that evening made for a LONG day and drive home, but again, it gave him more information a full year before he went through the process.

S did all auditions on-campus - MORE information gathered. One audition visit actually became a “turn-off”. After some February acceptances came in, S was also able to eliminate another school based on his previous “travel-pass-through” visit and canceled his last audition. That audition had been schedule for the latest possible date, with the idea in mind that perhaps he would have “better fit” acceptance(s) in hand by that time.

We also did two “let’s-be-sure” visits after acceptances came in, but by then it was April and near the end of the college semester. What S was able to see during those visits - even though the departments went out of their way to make him welcome - was not truly representative of a “typical” class day.

We really liked having some early “reconnaissance”, with additional layers of “intel” added during auditions. We came up with a game plan that worked for us and by the time S received his final of three acceptances he had a very good idea of where his heart was leading. As others have said, do what works for you and your family. If we had dealt with more than 8 schools, or had to go over longer distances, we probably would have only visited a few schools ahead of time, auditioned at Chicago unifieds as much as possible, and done visits to the “financially viable” acceptance schools at the end.

I’d love to offer a student’s perspective.

I come from a single parent household and am also from the South. The schools on my list were a long, long way away, and we didn’t have the funds necessary for traveling to visit schools without knowing whether or not I would even get into them. (Honestly, we didn’t have the funds for this process at all, but my dad is really incredible and made it a priority.) Because of this, with the exception of UNCSA and my safety (Catawba), I auditioned for all my programs at Unifieds. I saw UNCSA’s campus at my audition and had the chance to tour DePaul’s campus while I was in Chicago for Unifieds. But that’s it.

I applied to, I think, 14-16 programs? I was accepted to my 2 safeties (Catawba and Oglethorpe), to 1 BFA program (DePaul), and waitlisted at 2 others (NYU and CMU). UNCSA called me and asked me to reapply next year. My results were exceedingly mixed. LOTS of painful rejections, a super lucky acceptance from my top choice, and an ego boosting waitlist from CMU. I’m still not sure how I feel about my results. But I do want to add that, in reference to the earlier discussion about how many choices you can expect to have: I am going to tell you upfront that I was TOTALLY scared off by the people with 5+ acceptances and didn’t post my results on those threads. I felt like mine seemed embarrassing in comparison. If I had only gotten rejections, I probably would have evaporated from CC entirely. While there are some brave and open souls who bare all in this process in real time, those results threads are not a solid indicator of what you can expect. People who don’t receive the results they want are typically less inclined to share than those who have incredible success. I don’t mean to be a downer. Quite the opposite. Be secure in who you are and in the work you put forth. Regardless of the outcome, you will grow SO MUCH just through the process. If theatre is what you want to study, there will be a place to study it. Rejections from college programs hurt, but they are not the be all and end all.

Moving on!

As a student, I was very nervous about touring DePaul before admissions decisions went out because it had been my top choice all along, and I didn’t want to fall irreparably in love in case I was rejected. I did fall in love. I even kind of regretted touring after I left because I was so scared. Miraculously, it came through for me. I do not take that for granted.

But I don’t think touring specific schools was important. I DO wish that I had toured different TYPES of campuses prior to applying - urban, traditional, rural, large, small, etc - to help me narrow down my list. That seems very practical to me. Touring specific programs prior to knowing admissions decisions seems like a recipe for heartache. Also, as the daughter of a single parent, I have to admit it feels a little excessive, too. But hey - If you have the resources, by all means, use them, if that’s what makes you feel most comfortable!!

@HannahMTheatre- what a great post, and what a valuable perspective for @theaterwork’s D :slight_smile:

I’ve enjoyed reading this thread. Everyone’s situations and experiences are different but reinforce to me that there isn’t just one answer. We are visiting the closer ones and auditioning on campus when we can and then applying at unifieds to a remaining few.
Thanks @HannahMTheatre for your perspective :slight_smile: and glad you found your perfect place. You should be proud of your journey.

@theaterwork If your D is not sure of her path, I would definitely tour schools and show her other non-MT major options.

My D’s path ended up somewhat unique to those on this thread.

D loved singing, dance and theater and had been active in it from a young age. She went to a performing arts camp that draws from all over the NYC region and always ended up a lead from the time she was 8. She was a lead in all her middle school and high school musicals. She was all state in choir and had many featured solos. She managed a coed acapella group for all 4 years of NH which she founded.

So when we started the college search in earnest (the summer before junior year), we began to look at colleges that offered strong music and theatre programs. At that point she had not yet committed to a MT major. She felt she had talent, but was not sure that theatre was a path she wanted to pursue ultimately. In reality, she was also good at art, was a very strong student (top 5% at a competitive Long Island HS) and had good leadership skills (school president, on a few executive boards, etc.) She also recognized that being talented locally, even in a district with a very good theatre/ music program, did not mean that she’d reach the same levels in a national pool of talent.

So the summer before senior year, she decided to attend the pre-college MT program run be NYU Steinhardt. We felt it would achieve a number of things for her. NYU was a favorite school and she’d get a feel for an urban campus. She would see how she compared to her peers in a large pool of talent. She’d get a feel for what it would be like to be in a MT program. (Althought NYU Steinhardt is a BM in vocal performance with a MT concentration.)

By the end of the summer, she loved NYU–so yes to city campuses. She loved the instructors and program at NYU–so yes to the BM at Steinhardt vs. a BFA elsewhere. And the biggest yes was that NYU told her she was accepted to the school talent-wise and did not have to audition in the fall! (Not sure if NYU does this anymore.) She still needed to get into NYU academically–but given her grades and test scores we knew she was in a good place.

But we were not really done with our college search. Because as much as she loved NYU if she was going to major in MT, she was still not 100% committed to a MT major.

And that is why I’m sharing D’s story. Despite the virtual acceptance, D still pursued other options for college at schools that had strong music and theatre programs. Depending on the school, she was considering theatre, music and/or English majors. She was also looking at schools that would allow her to combine those concentrations with business. She was not sure of what she wanted to do as a college graduate, working in the real world.

So we considered Skidmore, GW, Brandeis, Muhlenberg, American and Barnard. Skidmore dropped off the list because she didn’t like it (I did). But in the end she applied and was accepted in all of these other schools. They all offered her the option of pursuing musical theatre and voice lessons. In some schools she’d be a music or theatre major, in some an English and/or business major with the option still of performing in shows.

All but Barnard offered her merit aid–most schools for theatre or music talent. (Skidmore also offers a $12K a year Filene’s Music scholarship.)

In the end, the choice came down to Barnard or NYU. NYU came in with merit money and offered a lot of flexibility in terms of a double major or minor (s.) But Barnard offered strong academics, voice lessons and a vibrant theatre program. D chose NYU and felt she made the right decision. She graduated with a BM in VP (MT concentration) and minors in English lit and the Business of Entertainment, Media and Technology.

Now 3+ years out of school, she does not audition and does not want to be a full-time performer. Instead, she is pursuing the business end of entertainment and is contemplating going on for an MBA. She has worked or interned in talent management, casting, film post-production and entertainment marketing.

The point of this long post is to show that with a child unsure of pursuing MT (or performance) full time, I think it’s important to leave lots of options open and visit lots of schools. There may be alternative paths to that can align with their talent/ interests. Pursue them so that you leave other paths open.

Good luck!!

Thank you @HannahMTheatre You said so eloquently what I couldn’t (obviously) <3

Thanks for your post @uskoolfish ! A great story about your D. I like the idea of a summer MT college prep type camp next summer. We were going to do that although it will have to be a relatively reasonably priced one. I know CMU has one but yikes on the price tag. My D is right now a hot mess to be frank! Lol . She says " MT is all I’m good at" , so she thinks she doesn’t have anything else to major in. She has other interests but they get foreshadowed by theater. It’s all she’s done for the past 7 yrs…singing, summer theater camp, show choirs, numerous productions, going to an arts high school…she did already do a camp in NYC last summer for a week. I will say she has a big confidence issue in dance. That’s her weakest skill & it really gets to her. She’s not a bad dancer. She just hasn’t had it for yrs like some of these girls. She’s very intimidated by the dancers. She is a singer first. Acting pretty good and then dance.

@theaterwork Your daughter has plenty of time to hone her dance skills and feel more confident in that area if she takes dance classes in junior and senior year.

In any case, there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to when to visit colleges. Visits are important no matter when you do them. Your child is making a huge decision and it is going to cost a lot of money and so it is important to visit at some point and do a thorough visit when on campus.

Caveat - we live in the midwest AND other than 2 schools limited her list to schools within a 6-8 hour drive from home - and so we did many visits - starting sophomore year - which led us to one very odd requirement on D’s list… campus must have a pretty building that looks like a castle. (I know - weird - but one program was struck from the list because she couldn’t live in a place that wasn’t aesthetically pleasing to her.) So, we visited a few schools sophomore year… and then a few more in February of Junior year - and I had a few more planned in April of Junior year - at which point D said. “enough - I don’t want to look at any more schools!” And so we did no more visits - BUT other than the 2 far away schools - I did endeavor (with almost complete success - I messed up on one) to have her audition on campus at places we hadn’t already visited - and auditioned for the places we had visited and the far away schools at unifieds.

April of senior year - we visted/revisited her top choices… and then when there was just a week and a half left of April - and she was in her Senior musical… she came off of a wait list. Thank goodness she had auditioned on campus (albeit back in November) because she at least had a vague idea of the campus… because there was no time for a revisit. She accepted that offer, and made her first visit to campus since her audition to attend her orientation that August.

So - if you can afford - if schools are driveable - I’m all for school visits… I’m also for listening to your kid when they say “enough”.

@theaterwork - look around at prices of summer programs. CMUs is fantastic (D has had a number of friends do it- all raves) but is both pricey and long (6 weeks) There are lots of options with varying $$ and times. If I remember correctly from 2013 when D was applying (summer between junior/senior) Ithaca and Mpulse were the least expensive (though very selective, esp Mpulse- though it will give you practice with prescreens.)

Off topic of visiting- but I wanted to throw out a thought. Summer programs are high on my “do over” list - not knowing level of competitiveness (and yet knowing how competitive BFAs are) I had her apply to a whole bunch of them (6). Well, the good news is she was accepted at all but one (mpulse) but she could only do one. In the end, she went with NYU - and loved it BUT, I have always wondered if turning down some of those other programs (esp ones run by the actual college faculty) might have been a “ding” since she auditioned for many of the same schools the next year…

I can’t imagine that turning down a summer program offer has any effect on college admissions. Kids can only attend one summer program (per summer) and not attending one is not a commentary on interest in that college. I even doubt that the admissions staff necessarily cross references their summer application pools. Lots of kids get into BFA programs where they may have been admitted for the summer, but never attended for the summer.

@bisouu Haha, you’re very welcome!! I very much understood where you were coming from and knew it wasn’t a place of bitterness. I’m glad if I could help clarify that at all!! <3

@kategrizz I actually TOTALLY understand the need for something aesthetically pleasing. I’m transferring all that energy into dorm room prep right now, but probably the one bummer about an urban campus is that I’m missing out on the big castle. I love those, too. (Definitely no complaints about DePaul’s brand new theatre school building, though. I’m pretty excited about that.)

@HannahMTheatre I bet you can find a building in Chicago that kinda looks like a castle! :slight_smile:

@soozievt - you are more than probably right, but there has been one moment that always “stuck” in the back of my brain. Summer before senior year we did a whole northeast college tour (saw a dozen schools- lots of fun) and one of the stops was BU, where D had been accepted to the BUSTI program, and declined attendance. (the tour ended with us dropping her at NYU for their summer program) When we met with a rep from the theater department, one of his questions for D was…“why did you decline our summer program”? I jumped in and said something about $$, how we were so disappointed it didn’t work out etc- but it was SUPER awkward.

@HannahMTheatre - I agree - plenty of castles in Chicago! Bonus - this year she’s living in an absolutely beautiful dorm. I think it’s one of the oldest on campus - so it has no A/C - but the charm of the building totally makes up for it (plus, it will get cold in Ohio soon enough, and A/C won’t matter!) She was thrilled to see real hard wood floors instead of the horrible industrial tile that was in her dorm last year! :slight_smile:

I think the Water Tower looks a bit like a castle. Agree, though, it’s a shame about the architecture in Chicago…jk :slight_smile: