Visit Report: University of San Diego (full)

<p>D#2 is a BWRK interested in the Biological Sciences. For college she wants a mid-sized university someplace away from her home state. DW and I spent five years in the Bay Area and asked that she consider attending school in California, if not for UG then perhaps for Graduate School. D#2 obliged us by applying to the University of San Diego and the University of the Pacific (reviewed separately).</p>

<p>Frankly stated, the principal reason I suggested USD as a possibility was because I wanted D#2 to see SoCal as part of her college visit tour. USD is hugely expensive, lacks some intercollegiate sports D#2 is interested in, and graduates relative few in the sciences. I talked up the beautiful weather and scheduled lots of zoo and beach and shopping time to "make up for” the required visit. In short I wasn’t expecting much, and neither was D#2.</p>

<p>At 1:30 AM on visit day (our time) things were shaping up badly. We were stuck in Phoenix after missing our connection, had gotten re-routed to Santa Ana airport, and decided to forego that destination due to a shortage of ground transportation. Luckily I was able to purchase the last available seats on the evening’s final flight to San Diego, and we made the boarding with fully three minutes to spare. We arrived in San Diego exhausted and several hours later than planned, but we were grateful to be there. The next morning it was pouring rain and breakfast with D#2 who had not slept well. No, things weren’t looking at all good. I provide the above background to illustrate the power of a USD visit, because three hours after finishing breakfast USD had moved from applications list “throw in” to a school near the top of her list.</p>

<p>Time and space do not permit a full discussion of the school, staff and students. So I’ll be brief in areas that can be confirmed from other sources. The campus is truly beautiful, wonderfully kept, and fabulously located. Beaches, Sea World, the zoo, shopping and the airport are each approximately ten minutes away. The campus footprint is small, which means limited space for parking and dormitories. Shuttle busses and off-campus housing (for upperclassmen) are facts of life.</p>

<p>For us, what really moved USD up the list was the staff and students we spoke with. Without exception each encounter began with a smile and ended with us taking away more information than initially sought. Each individual was unfailingly helpful and polite. To the best of my knowledge each question was answered accurately and without equivocation. When we asked “where is” it wasn’t uncommon for the individual to accompany us to the door and point out the building we needed next. </p>

<p>Despite the pouring rain the sidewalks outside were full of students, most of which were without umbrellas. I was impressed, given the large proportion of students who could undoubtedly cut the day’s classes with minimal repercussions. It is reported (on a well known site) that USD has many wealthy students that are “snooty” and “close minded.” I saw none of this. And it was my daughter who observed that the number of students providing campus services that day seemed inconsistent with USD’s reputation of having a wealthy student body. </p>

<p>USD offers many academic programs. But D#2 is interested in the biological sciences, so I spent most of my time there. Science isn’t popular at USD. The university annually graduates only sixty students in Biology. Not good. But the Science Center building is very modern (and opulent). I’m not yet convinced that USD is a favored institution for pre-meds and future professors of science. But my initial skepticism has been considerably softened.</p>

<p>I’ll conclude this with two small anecdotes from our visit. The first was at the Admissions office desk, where were asked “So how are you doing today.” Wet was our response. “Yes” the student greeter responded, “The rain is really hurting us today.” She was obviously aware that many visitors were expected and the effect bad weather would have on their perception of the school. The second involved an inquiry at one of the Student Union offices concerning which campus coffee shop had the best coffee. I asked about one of the coffee shops I’d seen, Aromas. “Well Aromas is Starbucks based and in my opinion they over-roast the coffee beans.” I chose to ignore this advice. I bought coffee there only to discover that she was right. Brittany, I owe you one.</p>

<p>USD may be “the country club on the hill” but on the day D#2 and I visited it was a very welcoming and capable place. I don’t think we can afford it (yes, there is a #3), but the visit was certainly compelling.</p>

<p>I haven't visited USD myself, but it was recommended to me as a hidden gem within the UC system when my son was looking at California schools. It's been the recipient of a lot of money for the computer sciences.</p>

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But D#2 is interested in the biological sciences, so I spent most of my time there. Science isnt popular at USD. The university annually graduates only sixty students in Biology.

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That may be a blessing -- it means your d. would get a lot of attention and potentially good opportunities for research. Also, her interest in sciences (if accompanies by strong stats in math & sciences) may make her a particularly attractive candidate to USD, which in turn may attract merit aid.</p>

<p>I'd suggest that your daughter spend some time getting a better sense of the quality of the science departments and faculty at USD. You describe the science center as modern and opulent -- that's a good sign. </p>

<p>Have your daughter to check out the names of the faculty in the science departments she is interested in, and Google their names -- or use Google scholar. She will very quickly be able to pull up research that the various faculty members doing and has done in the past. </p>

<p>Also, count up the number of active faculty and courses given each semester. (By "active" I mean don't make the mistake of counting faculty members who are on leave or retired)</p>

<p>Also, see what you can find out about what happens with USD graduates in the sciences. Where do they go for grad work? How many end up as Ph.D.'s? </p>

<p>There can be a distinct advantage to attending college at a place where the class size is smaller and opportunities for undergraduate research may be greater, if your daughter is satisfied that the department size and faculty is adequate to meet her needs. I mean, she could go to Berkeley and be just a face in a crowd of many hundreds of students in an excellent but over-enrolled biological sciences department -- or she could go to a place where she is really wanted.</p>

<p>From what I can see on the USD web site it looks like that have a large faculty in the biology and chemistry departments, and they are all very proud of their new science center. </p>

<p>My daughter's college search revolved largely around trying to find a college where the Russian departments were under-enrolled, but there was still a critical mass of students to foster learning and where there was enough faculty to have a reasonably strong department. I realized during my daughter's junior year that her interest in studying Russian could be a hook if we targeted the right schools. </p>

<p>It would be a lot harder to find a college where there is a shortage of biology or chemistry majors -- but it looks like you might have stumbled across one that comes close. </p>

<p>The key to getting into a reach college is to have something they want; and the key to attracting merit aid at a not-so-reachy college is to have something they want. A college with a brand new, state of the art science center may very well want to attract good students to use it -- and of course being female never hurts for a prospective science major.</p>

<p>Correction: USD is not part of the UC system. UCSD, the UC college in San Diego, is strong in biological sciences.</p>

<p>A friend of mine's son goes to USD. The student body is wealthy compared to other schools.</p>

<p>It is also getting more and more popular. About 10 percent of the kids at my son's high school apply there. Considering the cost of the school, that is a high number. I believe as private schools go, that school gets the most apps from my kid's public high school. We are in Nor Cal.</p>

<p>The average kid who gets in there from my son's school has a 3.67 gpa and a SAT score around 1850. This year, I see many kids getting deferred with 3.4 gpas.</p>

<p>I don't want to trash a school and UOP (your other report) may be a great school, but Stockton is a pit.</p>

<p>NewHope, my S knows a tenured faculty member in the business department at USD who is deliriously happy there. I can't say enough good things about this prof, both as a teacher and mentor for students.</p>

<p>S took a couple of his friends from school down to visit. The prof gave them a tour, and all the kids were blown away by the beauty of the campus, the facilities, and the friendliness of the people. None of them knew anything about the school beforehand. Apparently USD has a strong tradition of leadership in service, in keeping with their Catholic heritage.</p>

<p>BTW, I see from their website that Bill George, former CEO of Medtronic, is scheduled to speak at a leadership breakfast (open to the public) there in April.</p>

<p>This review of USD just goes to show you how different students (and parents) view different colleges. This OP had a wonderful experience there, and that is what is important. Clearly so do many of the student who choose USD as their college. There is another thread here somewhere dealing with a "bad" experience. I will tell you that these visits are very unique to the individual. DD did an accepted student overnight at USD last year. It was her top choice at the time. It went to the bottom of her list. She too wants to be a science major. Yes, the science building is truly state of the art...very nice. But her overnight experience was less than good. Her host basically did nothing to help the two girls staying with her make a decision to come to the university...in fact, the host basically abandoned them to find things to do on their own. The admissions folks were wonderful as stated above, but the finaid folks were abrupt to DD. DD decided she wanted a school that was more friendly from the getgo than USD appeared to be to her. BUT at the luncheon at the end of the two days, one of the other girls couldn't wait to get to the admissions office to turn in her deposit. Different strokes for different folks. It's always nice to see that one student's impressions don't necessarily have to be the same as the next. It goes to show you that the college selection experience is truly individual to that student.</p>

<p>Oops, clearly I am confusing UCSD and USD. But really, couldn't they have made the names more different? ;)</p>

<p>I am very familiar with USD, have friends on the faculty, know quite a few current and graduates of USD, and have spent a great deal of time on the campus. </p>

<p>The new Shiley Science Center is state-of-the-art and extremely well funded. A plus for science majors (not just at USD, but any San Diego school) is that San Diego has a very active biotech community, as well as multiple medical facilities, so there are ample opportunities for internships. USD's science department takes good advantage of this, and has quite a few very strong connections. (In fact, much of the money for the new science building came donations from the local biotech community). There is also something to be said for attending a science program with top notch facilities that is not over-run with majors, be it USD or elsewhere.</p>

<p>USD also has a fabulous program in Peace Studies and is also very strong in political science and the social sciences in general. It's less strong in the humanities, however.</p>

<p>If you'd like, I may be able to put you in touch with the mother of a current USD student who is planning to major in science. PM me if you're interested.</p>

<p>That said, while I am a big fan of USD, there are a few factors that might not make it right for everyone. </p>

<p>Although USD tends to be slightly more low key about religion than most Catholic universities, no student should attend USD thinking that religion won't be a part of their experience. It strongly affects and underlines USD's mission, and, in some cases, its educational philosophy. I don't see that as a bad thing myself, but for some it might be a turn-off.</p>

<p>USD is working hard to become more diverse, racially and economically, but it still has a very long way to go. Many USD students are upper middle class to very wealthy, and minority presence is smaller than might be expected for a school of its size located in a very diverse city. I'd describe the typical USD student as somewhat preppy and conservative (always exceptions, of course). Again, this may not be an issue for some, but students really need to think about whether they'll fit in with the prevailing student culture (but, of course, that applies to all schools, not just USD). I know students who "fit" the USD type and love/loved it there, but I do also know students who didn't/don't quite fit in who have not been as happy with their social experience.</p>

<p>Finally, USD is indeed quite expensive, and, unfortunately, their financial aid is not always particularly generous compared to comparable schools. They tend to rely heavily on loans, and also do "gap" quite a few students. Their merit scholarships for better students, however, can be good, and their honors program is worth looking into.</p>

<p>Anyone who likes USD, might also want to look at Santa Clara University, Pepperdine, Loyola Marymount, and Gonzaga University in Washington, which have similar feels and academic cultures. For the sciences, USD, Santa Clara and Pepperdine would be the top choices of this group.</p>

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Oops, clearly I am confusing UCSD and USD. But really, couldn't they have made the names more different?

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Mathmom: My D goes to UCSD and I hear this mistake made quite a bit - usually people saying USD in place of UCSD. The two colleges are fairly close in proximity and too close in name but are quite different colleges as you know. You're correct about Computer Science at UCSD (my D's major) - the CS department along with all of engineering is benefiting considerably from Jacobs - a co-founder of Qualcom. UCSD is also one of the stronger Universities in the Bio-sciences in the country.</p>

<p>USD has also had some strong benefactors including Joan Kroc of McDonalds fame and Jenny Craig of diet fame (funny combination) :) as well as Shiley. </p>

<p>Op: As I'm sure you heard, you must have come here on one of the 3 rains we've had in the last 10 months or so. I was in that general area today, at the beach in La Jolla, at it's beautiful out today.</p>

<p>re SD college confusion.</p>

<p>I first heard of USD about 10 yrs ago when two of my friends visited in error. They went to San Diego to attend the graduation of another co-worker from Cal State San Diego. They said they followed the signs. The two ladies were all excited, thought the campus was beautiful, were surprised they didn't see more people, they thought it strange they couldn't find the grads name listed. Finally, one of my friends realized they were at USD's graduation, not CSUSD. A very helpful person helped them with directions and they made it to graduation in time. They knew about UCSD but neither had heard of USD.</p>

<p>^^ To make it more confusing, it isn't CSUSD - it's SDSU (San Diego State University) which is a CSU.</p>

<p>So, there's:</p>

<p>UCSD - (Univ of California)
SDSU - (San Diego State Univ - a Cal State Univ)
USD - (Univ of San Diego - a private)</p>

<p>my brother goes to USD and absolutely loves it</p>

<p>He cant stop talking about the people, classes, and weather</p>

<p>It really is a great school</p>

<p>Carolyn,</p>

<p>I have been on CC for a while, and have always enjoyed your insight into the college process. I noticed in one of your posts from about a year ago that you were in the certificate program for college admissions counseling - I am starting the program in April. How did you like the program? Are you working in the field of college counseling now? Did you take more than one class at a time? </p>

<p>I enjoyed reading your posts on USD. My oldest son is going there in the fall - mechanical engineering department/ROTC. You said you knew some of the faculty. Any advice on USD that you believe would be helpful? </p>

<p>Regards,
Michelle</p>

<p>Re: U of San Diego.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>At least one religion class is a requirement for the core. Actually, I believe two classes are needed to graduate.</p></li>
<li><p>Biology; Some specialized undergraduate courses in Marine Biology, which is also a Master's program. Not to be confused with the Scripps Institute at U of California-San Diego.</p></li>
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