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Incoming Class Profile
Statistics for the Class of 2012
Statistics for the Class of 2013 should be available by September 7.
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Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile</p>
<p>Yes? And the numbers are . . . ? Wonder what's causing the hold-up.</p>
<p>Someone from Penn Admissions must be reading CC–the web site just changed to this:</p>
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[Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile](<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/]Penn”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/)</p>
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<p>I still wonder what’s causing the hold-up.</p>
<p>September 23rd has now come and gone, and the Admissions Office has missed its SECOND self-imposed deadline.</p>
<p>Kinda makes you wonder about Dean Furda’s new era of efficiency and transparency. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>The numbers are obviously available - something must be afoot. Maybe they don’t know how to use excel?</p>
<p>Maybe it’s time for the DP to do a little investigative journalism. ;)</p>
<p>I wonder what they are hiding or trying to spin? Many colleges simply post their raw common data set excel file. It seems penn only summarizes on their web site as I have not been able to ever find their raw data. Now they are reluctant to post the summary.</p>
<p>Actually, the raw data DOES exist, you just have to piece it together. Once a year, after the RD round of admissions, Eric Furda will give the exact number of applicants accepted by each college, and the number of applicants to the College is known (it’s about 14,500 for the 1500 spots and they accept between 2300-2400, making for - surprise - a 16.5% acceptance rate).</p>
<p>I’ve proved and cited this elsewhere on the site, if you really care. Anyhow, the rest of the data IS known for the entire university - SAT scores, ACT scores, GPA, percent admitted by class placement. So besides the ridiculous amount of research necessary for the individual colleges, the rest is definitely easily available. Except for right now, of course…</p>
<p>Now almost a week past the SECOND deadline, and still no Class of 2013 stats. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>muerteapablo, you need to do some on-scene investigation. :)</p>
<p>uhh i think its up now!</p>
<p>[Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile](<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/]Penn”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/)</p>
<p>Yes finally!</p>
<p>Wow 1/4 of the class is classified Asian</p>
<p>They’ve deleted some details (e.g., percentages admitted by class rank, SAT ranges, etc.). On the other hand, they’re now showing the middle-50% of SAT scores for ENROLLED students, as opposed to admitted students. Those have actually gone up a bit compared to the middle-50% scores reported for the Class of 2012 on collegeboard.com.</p>
<p>The trend in the total numbers is disappointing, however. Number of applications down over last year. Admit rate up over last year (for the second year in a row). Yield rate down over last year (for the second year in a row). I sure would like to know what Furda’s long-range plans are for reversing this.</p>
<p>eh, the higher the admit rate the better chance I can get in lol.</p>
<p>oh and at 45 percenter:</p>
<p>Why would these statistics be upsetting? We should all know by now that acceptance rate is NOT synonymous with prestige of school OR quality of education. Columbia is on par with UPenn yet it has acceptance rates in the single digits.</p>
<p>As to why number of applicants went down, this I have no answer. This is a fairly modest change in number so it could just be a fluke. Don’t worry guys 
Penn classes are getting increasingly stronger. The upperclassmen are always talking about how if they were to apply today with their same stats, they wouldn’t get accepted.</p>
<p>Of course I won’t deny that I’m more optimistic than most since I’m going to be applying, and theres always a sense of boosting pride in a prospective school, but I think what I said still holds true regardless.</p>
<p>Remember, selectivity is more about SAT and GPA than acceptance rate (although the last 2 years were definitely regrettable). At any rate, the 75 percentiles in ACT and SAT for the class of 2013 are: (I put out the 75th percentile, since averages aren’t yet available and the middle 50% is skewed by URM admits, who artificially drag down “diverse” schools like Columbia)</p>
<p>Dartmouth - SAT 1550, ACT 33
Penn - SAT 1530, ACT 34
Columbia - SAT 1540, ACT 34
Brown - SAT 1540, ACT 34</p>
<p>Generally Columbia and Brown post a higher 75th Percentile, but Penn has a higher average (due to a lower standard deviation of scores, presumably). We’ll see what happens when the schools release the average SAT score of the class.</p>
<p>In the meantime, not bad. Hopefully this year, they’ll do better.</p>
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<p>Still, the directions of the overall numbers (total/ED applications, admit rates, and yield) are even more disappointing when compared to the trends at Penn’s peers over the last 2 admissions cycles.</p>
<p>I’d just like to know what, if anything, Furda has in mind to address that. Could be an interesting DP article/interview (in case any DP types happen to read this :)).</p>
<p>Looks like Penn won’t be number 4 again next year</p>
<p>^ Actually, that’s not necessarily the case. Acceptance rate accounts for only 10% of the “student selectivity” score, which constitutes 15% of the total score (meaning acceptance rate accounts for only 1.5% of the total score). SAT/ACT scores of the enrolled class have a much greater effect on total score (50% of the “student selectivity” score), as does the percentage of enrolled students who graduated in the top 10% of their high school classes (40% of the “student selectivity” score):</p>
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<p>[How</a> We Calculate the College Rankings - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2009/08/19/how-we-calculate-the-college-rankings.html?PageNr=3]How”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2009/08/19/how-we-calculate-the-college-rankings.html?PageNr=3)</p>
<p>That’s why our selectivity rank remains ahead of schools with lower acceptance rates (Brown, Dartmouth, etc.).</p>
<p>Interesting…way to game the system Penn =)</p>