<p>Just for fun I thought I'd ask this little ditty...</p>
<p>On the giant part 40+ MT thread, the question was asked if anyone has ever heard of someone getting into an MT program after being "waitlisted" and it was never answered, so...</p>
<p>Here it is in it's own thread:</p>
<p>Does anyone on here KNOW someone, anyone, and you don't have to identify who, who DID get in to an MT program after being waitlisted? And if so, which school was that?</p>
<p>Let the fierce debate begin :)</p>
<p>I think I will get some popcorn and put in my slippers to watch this one.</p>
<p>Bahhhhaaaaa!!! Good one! Loved it, and I think you get the spirit of the question.</p>
<p>C'mon in everyone, the water is fine...</p>
<p>OK, I'll bite. I do think kids can get in off a waitlist for a BFA program, depending on the program. Some programs due to size, do not want to make too many offers for the slots that they have available for fear that everyone could accept the offer and then they'd have too many for the size class they want so they do have a waitlist for that reason. </p>
<p>For example, CMU takes about 10 students. They don't accept extras to yield 10 but have a waitlist and priority waitlist, and mentioned this at the audition. For instance, I know my kid got a priority waitlist there last year (though hers was for Acting, where they have 18 slots in the class). Her friend, who is now a soph at CMU for MT, DID get in off the waitlist the previous year. Someone did not accept the offer for one of those slots in the freshman class and she was chosen from the small priority waitlist. She had put in a deposit for CCM and then when she heard from CMU in May that she was off the waitlist, she took the offer and is there now. </p>
<p>I believe DoctorJohn once explained his use of the waitlist as well. He only has 8 students in his program at Otterbein. He can't give out a lot of extra offers because what if all took him up on the offer? So, he does have a waitlist and he does use it. He explained how the waitlist is not ordered (and is not at most colleges) but more that if someone of a certain type declines the spot offered in the class, he will go to the waitlist and find another student of that "type" to fill it. </p>
<p>At UMich, they were finding that more kids were accepting their offer than counted on based on past year's "yield" (which is what colleges go by when figuring out how many offers to make to yield a certain enrollment) and so for instance, the year before my D applied there, I think they gave out 14 offers to boys and wanted just 10 and all 14 took the offer! And then for her year, they talked about only accepting 12 or so to yield 10 and if they less than 10 accepted the offer, THEN they would utililze the waitlist. I know someone accepted to UMich this past year who unfortunately had a serious health issue and had to give up her slot and I believe someone else in line then got it. </p>
<p>Each school handles this stuff differently. If BOCO is accepting 110 to yield 60, then they aren't going to use a waitlist. </p>
<p>Hope this helps a bit :D
Susan</p>
<p>Back in 1998 D was accepted to Webster, Otterbein, and a couple of others I can't remember.... and waitlisted at CCM. Within a week of the waitlist notification she was offered a slot at CCM. Graduated MT from CCM Magna Cum Laude in 02 and is now taking the looooooong shot at Brown's MFA Directing program.... which accepts two applicants per year, so if we thought CCM was tough to get into this is really shooting for the moon.</p>
<p>To my knowledge, no one was accepted off of a waitlist at UM last year. The girl who had to withdraw was not replaced. This year's freshman class is 14 boys and only 7 girls, by choice. One of the boys is an older transfer. I am aware of only one MT student who was accepted to UM for this year's class and chose to go to a different program. This is just based on what I have heard from other UM students (who were told this by faculty) but not hard admissions office info.</p>
<p>My D was put on the priority waitlist at CMU for MT and offered a spot, though she opted to go elsewhere. I think waitlists do serve a potential possibility, but are not something to count on.</p>
<p>I rest my case!</p>
<p>One of the recently-graduated "stars" of the CMU program got in off the waitlist - nope, I won't tell you what year - but I do know of several kids who got into CMU MT off the waitlist over the past 10 years (more in recent years). I also know of 2 current UM students who got in off the waitlist (again, I don't want to say how old so as not to start speculation - the kids there know, and it doesn't diminish those acceptances).</p>
<p>Coach,
are you saying N = "several" + 2, in the past 10 years?</p>
<p>In your experience?</p>
<p>thanks
Chris</p>
<p>Yep, absolutely - in the last 10 years, there have been 7 that I know of for certain (as in I could tell you their names), and possibly more - of those that I know, one chose to accept admission to another MT program rather than accept CMU's offer. I'm not sure CMU itself would give you these figures - they don't so much like the idea that all of their first choices don't accept.</p>
<p>At Depaul (not mt, but still selective bfa program) I know of about 6 people out of the 52 that were waitlisted. I'm pretty sure they don't offer out many (if any) extra acceptences to yield 52, but I know that all together with the waitlist it's 70, so 52 yes and 18 waitlist I think.</p>
<p>My student who auditioned today at UM was told that they need to consider any deferrment as a very good sign that they were still being considered. Many would be deferred until later after faculty had seen other auditioners. </p>
<p>This may be becasue of taking so many last year, ya think?</p>
<p>I will post impressions of the audition on the UM thread</p>
<p>xxx,Mary Anna</p>
<p>P.S> Do you think of deffered as the same as wait list? I know from college counselors that each school uses it's deferrment/wait list differently. At some schools it means very little, for others you can take it as a probable admit.</p>
<p>I think some schools use the term "deferred" in a similar way to other schools' waitlists. I personally know at least 10 kids who have gotten into several of the major schools mentioned on CC off the waitlists - but I would add one caution. This is going back 2-4 years, and from what I have seen and heard the last year or so, some of the yields were so high, that it seems not to be as likely to get in off a waitlist as it was just a few years ago.</p>
<p>And I agree with a previous poster - most schools do not "number" their waitlists - instead, they are looking for a similar type to the opening they have.</p>
<p>Hi Mary Anna,</p>
<p>I'm looking forward to your student's impressions of audition day at UM. I would like to respond to your thoughts and questions about what your student was told but I'll wait and do it on the UM thread as I think it will reach more people who are interested in this info there. Long story short, a deferment is certainly preferable to a rejection but at UM it is most definitely not comparable to an admit. It is also not the same as being waitlisted which implies an acceptance if room becomes available.</p>
<p>See you on the other thread!</p>
<p>I know someone admitted to CMU 2 years ago after being on their waitlist.</p>
<p>Being deferred is better than being rejected but is NOT the same as a waitlist. When a student is deferred, the acceptance decision is not yet made. This happens in Early Decision and Early Action schools where they wait until they see ALL of the applicants in RD before rendering an admissions decision on those on the deferred pile. It also can happen at rolling admissions BFA programs where they don't want to fill the class until all the auditions are done. They hold onto some kids under consideration and then decision are made and a class is chosen at the end of the admissions season (often in spring...by April 1). A deferral can turn into an acceptance or a rejection.</p>
<p>A waitlist is a kind of an admissions twilight zone reserved for applicants who are neither accepted or rejected (unlike deferrals that turn into acceptances or rejections by the final decision date, April 1). Applicants are assigned to the waitlst when final acceptance and rejection letters go out (around April 1 at most colleges). A college reserves a waitist in case those students who are accepted do not fill all the slots in their class, even if they accepted more than they will yield. If the adcoms either misjudged the yield and it was low and they were able to go to the waitlist, or in the case of a small program like CMU, Otterbein, or UMich, where many accept the offer and there are not a lot of slots and so they do not want to accept too many over the number of slots available, then they too will go to those on a waitlist. As theatermom indicated, if you are on the waitlist, they would accept you if there was room. A deferral is more that you are still under consideration and made a "cut" of sorts rather than being rejected earlier on in the season. But it does not mean you would be accepted.</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>PS...Mary Anna, I would not see a deferral as a "probable admit" anywhere. Rather it is an indication that you are still in the running and a decision on you has not yet been made. I've had kids deferred who did not get admitted and this is typical. Some get admitted but I would not call it probable.</p>
<p>One modification on Soozie's post above,</p>
<p>Decisions on deferrals, at least at UM for sure and perhaps other programs, are not necessarily held until ALL auditions are complete. These decisions often "roll" as well. I know at least two students in my D's audition year who were deferred after mid-January auditions and then accepted one month later. Others had to wait longer but I believe all were notified one way or the other (subsequently accepted or rejected) before the May 1 committment date.</p>
<p>TheaterMom, thanks for that clarification. That's right because UM is a rolling school but for other schools, deferrals would wait until the end of the admissions cycle and be notified along with the others. UM is different in that regard due to the "roll".</p>
<p>Susan,
When college counselors have described to me deferrals/wait lists as practically probable admits, that is not in the context of theatre or mt but regular Liberal Arts admissions.
Example: a wait list at UVA is pretty much hopless and considered a courtesy, but at college XYZ, could be an admit.</p>