<p>Hey! I just had the same question (and thread)…WashU or Notre Dame? I think my son says WashU, but Notre Dame is the only one that’s close. Good luck.</p>
<p>arguably the most widely known college? huh? I know ND is well known (much more well known that Wash U) but since when is it the most widely known or even in the top 10 of widely known-ness?</p>
<p>pizza, are you kidding me?</p>
<p>you are saying EXACTLY what I am saying</p>
<p>so grow up and stop with the personal insults</p>
<p>read what I posted above again…</p>
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<p>I said “arguably” the most widely known … but you’re nuts if you don’t think it’s in the top 3 (Harvard, ND, and the local flagship). Go into any bar or barber shop in the country, and that guy sitting alone in the corner knows all about Notre Dame.</p>
<p>Schm, yes, I would agree that ND is one of the most widely known universities in the country…but mostly because of its football history…</p>
<p>Well, we attend university to learn not for name recognition…</p>
<p>Hundreds of people you will get to know in your life will ask about where you went to college. Zero of them will have not heard of ND, while almost none of them will not require an explanation about what the hell WUSTL is.</p>
<p>“Well, we attend university to learn not for name recognition…” </p>
<p>“Reality check! Aisle 7!”</p>
<p>They’re both great. I’m deciding between them and some others as well. Have you visited? Do you know what you want to study? That can be a deciding factor. </p>
<p>Ill be honest- ND has been my dream school ever since I was little. It was always the only place I could imagine myself going. ND has a lot to offer. Great school spirit and sports and an alumni network that will really take care of you. Beautiful campus, but has a rather strict, conservative administration - especially with parietals, and from what some people have told me, enforcement of alcohol/drug policies</p>
<p>WashU is also great! The campus is smaller but personally I find it prettier. The dorms and food are amazing, and of course academics are great. I also prefer the location - it is in close reach of a major city and there is a nice street of food/shopping a short walk of campus. However, WashU doesn’t have nearly the name recognition of ND, so if youre looking to impress the average person at dinner parties or something ND is a better choice. However, employers and grad schools DO know WashU and respect it. WashU also doesn’t have a bigtime sports or religious atmosphere, if that’s something you’re looking for. </p>
<p>You really can’t go wrong either way! I’m personally leaning towards WashU because i feel its a better fit, but ND has a lot to offer at any rate. Good luck!</p>
<p>Pandora, very well said</p>
<p>ND</p>
<p>-alumni connections
-emphasis on the community as a “family”
-My sister had to choose between WashU and ND and she chose ND and she is incredibly glad she did so. She loves the student body which is friendly, warm, and extremely approachable</p>
<p>“in the job market, do you really think that an employer would hire a student from a school just because its football team was well known?”</p>
<p>I was kind of getting at what the last poster fortuna16 suggested, that (leads to) potential employers are connections in a network, ie, like a ‘family’. It is the difference between a resume that is cold and sits among a big bunch of resumes and one that might get a little more attention from the employer. Not an automatic thing, but a nudge, and that is how 80 pct of hiring is done, Network nudging.</p>
<p>So it not that a random guy heard of the football team.</p>
<p>OP, </p>
<p>you say that your sat score was not that respectable. looks pretty good to me. correlates to a little over an act 33 , the score I know better.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.act.org/aap/concordance/estimate.html[/url]”>http://www.act.org/aap/concordance/estimate.html</a></p>
<p>Looks like this score is close to the upper end of the mid 50 pct., confirming your stmt that scores are pretty darn important in this college acceptance game, at least to the top 20 colleges.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1774[/url]”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1774</a></p>
<p>also, you implied that you had visited both colleges. How did you feel that the fit is? Can you imagine living there for 4 yrs?</p>
<p>I assume that both colleges knew that you were interested in pursuing engineering? Did you look at , apply to, or get accepted at any other colleges known for engineering?</p>
<p>side question: On the app, do you recall what colleges you were also looking at? I was curious whether admissions look at this part of the app. S’s HS counselor says colleges love to steal candidate away . but this sounds like another thread.</p>
<p>also, I have to add: </p>
<p>OP, you said your test score was not ‘stellar’</p>
<p>Note that you are <em>ABOVE</em> THE 99th PERCENTILE nationally!</p>
<p>[ACT</a> Score Information: National Ranks for Test Scores and Composite Score](<a href=“ACT Test Scores | ACT Scoring | ACT”>ACT Test Scores | ACT Scoring | ACT)</p>
<p>It shows how many CC people’s performance, and viewpoints, seem statistically ‘skewed’ compared to the nation.</p>
<p>I would choose WashU</p>
<p>ND: more international recognition</p>
<p>No brainer - flip a coin.</p>
<p>Seriously, if by this point in the process you cannot articulate clear differences that matter to you, if you’re reduced to polling College Confidential to see which of two top 20 schools is more widely known, then it makes no difference. Pick based on marginal differences in cost, travel convenience, or the bumper sticker you prefer. </p>
<p>Or, tell us more about yourself than the fact that you’re leaning towards engineering and aren’t very religious. Say something about what you’re really looking for in a school and why you picked these two.</p>
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<p>By that measure, a kid choosing between Arizona State and Amherst should pick Arizona State because more people would have heard of it.</p>
<p>What’s so funny about this whole “potential employers won’t have heard of it” is that many college students will be getting their interviews through a placement office at the school anyway. So duh, if Company A comes to recruit at a school, they’ll have “heard of it” because they chose to recruit there in the first place. After the first job? It doesn’t matter all that much; it’s the job performance that counts.</p>
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<p>tk is absolutely correct. If you don’t have a feel for differences that are meaningful to you, how can we help you?</p>
<p>Which choice will allow you to graduate with less debt?</p>
<p>roderick,</p>
<p>I think you’re right, the test scores of the people who congregate here seem skewed. I didn’t mean to say that I thought they were bad, only that I have seen higher. Yes, I visited both schools and really found a lot to like about both. I was at Wash. U. only a couple of days ago and the springtime campus was beautiful. When I visited Notre Dame is was cold and wet, as I imagine it often is. I feel like Notre Dame would be an easier place to fit in for me, though. Both visits were as an accepted student. I applied to a few other state schools, was accepted at Rochester, and waitlisted at Vanderbilt. (Notre Dame was early action by the way)</p>
<p>tk21769,</p>
<p>Thank you for the advice. You’re right, I have no opinions on either of the schools and am basing my decision entirely off of what people on the internet tell me to do. I’m really just looking for people’s general feelings about either school.</p>
<p>after ready CC for the last couple of months, it appears taht these two schools seem to have some of the happier undergraduate experiences…</p>
<p>good choice either way…</p>