WashU vs. Tulane Honors Program

<p>flashmoutain - Apology gladly accepted, I understand what your intent was. Just to be clear for anyone else reading this post, though, the Tulane program is just that, a program, not a separate honors college. There are of course schools that have separate honors colleges, and that is a very different thing. In fact I am constantly correcting people about that difference, because it is important. So quickly, among other things the Tulane program is almost the opposite of separating. Even the honors dorm has a lot of non-honors people in it, and a lot of people in the honors program live in the “regular” dorms. The intent of the honors dorm (Butler) is to provide a somewhat quieter space for students more inclined that way. The bottom line for the Tulane honors program is actually just to keep students on track that are interested in graduating with highest honors (Tulane basically only does magna and summa, although there is some twist on cum laude that I cannot recall off hand, but not relavent here). That is why to stay in the program one has to have at least a 3.6 after sophomore year. Also, given that it is for the most academically talented and/or serious, the program provides special advising for people interested in scholarships and fellowships like Rhodes, Goldwater, Truman, Fulbright, etc. Sure, one can do all that without creating a special program, Tulane just chooses to do it that way.</p>

<p>There are actually only a handful of Honors courses, and in fact a lot of Tulane students wish there were more! They are designed to be smaller and more discussion oriented. These are also not restricted to Honors Program students only, unless space runs out. Naturally the HP students would have priority. There were some thoughts of creating courses that would be Oxbridge style, that is only 2-3 students and a prof, and papers would be presented and debated/critiqued on a weekly basis. Not sure where that stands, but it gives you the idea of why there is such a program at Tulane. This would be impossible on a global basis. Also, anyone can earn their way into the program by attaining a 3.6 GPA.</p>

<p>All by way of clarifying that this is not nearly so separate as you might have thought, whereas most Honors Colleges are indeed. My D considered a couple of those, and maybe at Big State U that arrangement makes more sense. I agree that at WUSTL or Tulane it would make little sense. I hope that provides some perspective for readers of this thread.</p>

<p>@Gatsby - Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.</p>

<p>@ both of you and others - I am in fact a huge fan of WUSTL and would have been quite OK with my D going there, thrilled in fact. More thrilled if she had gotten the full tuition, lol. I absolutely don’t disagree that WUSTL has a more uniformly academically accomplished student body, at least going in. One need only look at the stats to see that. (I really cannot comment on results coming out, but clearly both sets of students do quite well on the whole). However, it isn’t exactly like Tulane students’ stats are not awfully high also (directed at NINJAINVENTOR). I think it is telling that there is story after story that came out of the Katrina semester, when Tulane students were scattered all around the country attending schools like Chicago, Tufts, Stanford, and of course WUSTL. Virtually without fail people from those schools came out and said, when they had no real motivation to other than adding to discussions that were happening at the time, and said how the Tulane students were every bit as talented and intelligent as the students already there. Quite a few schools made offers to the Tulane students, but 92% came back to Tulane.</p>

<p>Tulane and WUSTL are so similar in many ways, but there are a couple of areas where they are so different that it really does come down to which is right for which student. Interestingly, neither is directly related to pure academics. One of course is New Orleans, and no more need be said about that! The other is the way Tulane has also become so much about tying together service and academics. It makes Tulane a very different place than it used to be, and it is continuing to be transformed. It is exciting to see, but it isn’t for everyone.</p>

<p>OK, I’m done, lol. However I am really glad that you both have found a great match in WUSTL. Best of luck in your time there. Work hard, and have fun!</p>

<p>Thanks, fallenchemist—you put in a pretty good plug for Tulane, LOL. Just FYI, I’m not a student at WUSTL. Like you, I am simply a big fan of the place.:)</p>

<p>LOL, OK. I mostly just like to keep things straight, although of course I have a bias, even though I try to be evenhanded. I do point out Tulane’s flaws from time to time. All schools have some, even the Harvards and Princetons of this world. They are very complex organizations, on top of having a lot of smart people with egos often involved.</p>

<p>Bye for now!</p>

<p>In all honesty, I’m not exagerrating. Tulane did not fully recover from the hurricane (ie. a lot of good professors/students left). For example, the individual that I know wanted to do Comp Sci…which was non existent there since the hurricane. According to him, people started partying rather early (ie. oftentimes Wednesday nights). I don’t criticize it lightly (ie. we have plenty of awesome students/a growing name. I don’t need to boast about my school). Although I hear their bio program is still fairly good (though ours is said to be better :wink: ).</p>

<p>In the case of New Orleans, that’d probably be a negative for most people. IE. The French Quarter/Tulane rebuilt a good deal. Everyone else…not so much.</p>

<p>Ninja, you really ought to stop. You mostly have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, they did eliminate CS and some engineering majors. That has nothing to do with the issues here since the OP is not considering those majors. Plus, they have added a number of majors and programs that are highly interdisciplinary and very cutting edge. The students that left (and as I said freshman retention was very high, it is just a fact that is not arguable) and those that came back have long since graduated, so I have no idea what that has to do with anything. Have you not seen the numbers for applications to Tulane and the significantly increased stats of the students? Again, not saying they are at WUSTL levels but it is pretty clear at this point that the average SAT for this new class will be around 1375 for CR+M, and about 70% will be in the top 10% of their high school class. But the last 3 classes have all been the best in Tulane history, and this one will be better again. Tulane has not only recovered, but it has remade itself into a better school than it was pre-Katrina. That is so clear to anyone that knows the school that what you say is beyond preposterous. You talk to one person and think you know the history and current status of the school? Your comments clearly prove otherwise. How many times have you personally been to New Orleans and Tulane since Katrina, if ever? I would ask you to be honest, although who knows.</p>

<p>I am sure no WUSTL students party on Wednesday nights. Right. All colleges have students that can be found partying on any given night. And your comments about New Orleans are just sad and show stupendous ignorance. Tulane and the French Quarter were actually two areas that took comparatively little direct damage compared to many other parts of the city. You really have no idea what you are talking about there. Also, I was born and raised in St. Louis and would move back there any time, but as a place to go to college there is no comparison between New Orleans and St. Louis. I defy you to find one survey or any other publication that puts St. Louis in the top 10, or even top 25 of college towns/cities. Wow, lol.</p>

<p>I am not sure why you would want to criticize Tulane at all. WUSTL can indeed stand on its own. But apparently you don’t really believe that and instead use highly incorrect and/or outdated information to make another school look bad. It’s a shame, really.</p>

<p>I haven’t read all of the posts yet, but flashmountain, I saw little to no separation between honors and non-honors kids. The “honors” dorm was 50% non-honors students and all you have to do to remain in the honors program basically is maintain a certain GPA and take ONE honors class a year. That’s not every many considering you take at least 8 per year if not more. I said if I like WashU, I will 99.9% be going there. However, I have yet to visit WashU so, no, my mind is NOT made up. I might hate it, in which case I will be attending Tulane. There also seems to be a lot of hate toward WashU on this board which makes me feel pretty lousy >.< (not so much on this thread per se, but in general).</p>

<p>EDIT: fallenchemist pretty much said all of this lol. Also, Tulane is not in the French Quarter; it’s in the Garden District surrounded by $1 million mansions. Being in New Orleans is not the problem. The only reason I did not chooose Tulane right off the bat is that I just didn’t have that “click” there. You know, THAT feeling. I’m going to look at WashU to see if I do. I’m most likely going to pick which school I fit at better, and if they seem about the same… well I have no idea. Half of me is saying pick WashU because the student body is more… I don’t want to say intelligent… but has higher stats. The other half of me is saying, “be a big fish in a small pond at Tulane,” but I need to face the fact that I will be a small fish in a big pond in the real world.</p>

<p>Hate towards Wash U? Where? I no longer read the WUSTL threads in detail. Other than the conspiracy theorists who insist that WUSTL has a bad case of “Tufts Syndrome” (frankly I think that is ridiculous), I honestly can think of little to complain about regarding WUSTL, at least no more and usually less than people can complain about any school.</p>

<p>Really Rose, of course you have to go visit, but I will be quite surprised if you don’t like it as much as my D did. Maybe more considering some of the things you appear to hold a bit higher in importance, which is absolutely fine. I am a huge advocate of taking into account various comfort factors and non-academic factors, since this is where you will be living for 4 years (at least, lol). It is easy to come on here and spout nonsense, as someone has already proven (did Tulane look like it was still wrecked from flood damage to you? Or St. Charles? Or downtown or the Quarter if you were there?). You have to try and pick out the reasoned and valid comments from the rest. Not always easy, I know.</p>

<p>Okay I didn’t mean “hate” but just about every thread that is WashU vs. another school, the other school wins out if it is remotely close in the US News rankings. For example, in BC vs. Washu and Wesleyan vs. WashU threads, the other school wins even though WashU seems to clearly be the better school. I’m quite confused.</p>

<p>LOL, yeah that is a tough thing about these boards. I think you just have to look at the factual things people say as much as possible, and put the rest aside. But you hit upon a certain truth. There really isn’t a great deal of difference between WUSTL and Dartmouth, BC or Wesleyan academically. There is a bit more of a gap with Tulane, especially in the past, but that is even closing. The real difference is in how those schools feel to you, and the make-up of the student body. BC will have more Easterners like yourself, WUSTL more midwesterners, Tulane relatively more southerners (although it is the most geographically diverse supposedly, at least as far as US citizens), and Wesleyan and Dartmouth are both colleges (as opposed to universities) with much smaller grad programs. These and location are some of the most stark differences.</p>

<p>Go with your gut after you visit. You will be fine. The more you throw yourself into whatever college you choose by getting involved, the more you will love it.</p>

<p>Now I got into Middlebury… that complicates things a little. OR A LOT!</p>

<p>Congrats on that. Both my kids looked at Middlebury. Really different size, atmosphere, pretty much everything. Also not sure what kind of FA package they offered, but most people say it is more expensive in the end. You just have to decide what overall atmosphere suits you best. I assume you have been to Middlebury since it isn’t that far for you.</p>

<p>I have not been to Middlebury. It’s a 6 hour drive :P</p>

<p>Go check it out if you can, it is very Hogwartish, lol. This time of year it is also very seductive, just remember it is under snow most of the year. Gorgeous campus, gorgeous location between two mountain ranges, incredibly good food, but extremely rural, very small town.</p>