<p>what happened? it's probably just fluctuation in the rankings, right?</p>
<p>OHHH NOOOO…the world is coming to an end for sure…</p>
<p>You must be referring to the latest US News ranking of MBA programs, which came out last week. In the US News ranking of MBA programs, Wharton hasn’t been #1 for some time, although it is usually in the top 3 with Harvard and Stanford. However, in the Financial Times (London) global ranking of MBA programs, Wharton has continuously been ranked #1 in the world since the ranking began several years ago.</p>
<p>On the undergraduate level, Wharton has ALWAYS been ranked #1 by both US News and Business Week, and continues to be so ranked.</p>
<p>Totally agree with 45 Percenter. Let’s just face it: there is no better business program for undergraduates in the US and probably in the world than Wharton. Wharton is in a separate league. Period. MBA is a whole different story though, it is way harder to say which school offers the best program.</p>
<p>Hi,
I know Upenn warton has 2 programs are really good. M&T and Hnutsman.
My son like Warton more than harvard, but I know its very hard to get into those 2 programs. If he can’t get into these 2 programs, what is better choice, Upenn, Harvard or Stanford?
btw, My son, grade 11, so far got 2400 in SAT I,4/4 GPA from full IB program, lots out of school activities, working on SAT II and 2 APs.
What is his chance to get into warton or other ivy’s.
Please advice. Thx</p>
<p>jds3, Wharton in general is excellent, not just the M&T and Huntsman programs, which account for an extremely small percentage of Wharton undergraduates. Although your son’s stats give him an excellent chance of admission into either of those 2 highly selective programs, he can still be admitted to Wharton even if he is not admitted to one of those specific programs. The Wharton undergraduate curriculum is very distinct from the undergraduate programs your son could pursue at either Harvard or Stanford, and he should really examine the opportunities available at all 3 schools to determine what’s best for him.</p>
<p>Thanks 45 Percenter
"The Wharton undergraduate curriculum is very distinct from the undergraduate programs your son could pursue at either Harvard or Stanford, " could you provide more info on this?
My son wants to focus on finance and business management. Upenn is the only Ivy school which offer the bachelor in BA. is that right?
Really appreciated your advices.</p>
<p>Yes, UPenn is the only Ivy that offers undergrad business.</p>
<p>Yes, jds3, Penn is the only Ivy League school that has an undergraduate business school. As I pointed out above, Wharton is consistently ranked as the #1 undergraduate business program in the country, if not the world. It’s really in a class by itself.</p>
<p>To learn more about Wharton’s curriculum and opportunities for undergraduates, your son should explore this web site:</p>
<p>[Wharton</a> Undergraduate Program: Home](<a href=“http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/undergrad/]Wharton”>Wharton Undergrad at the University of Pennsylvania)</p>
<p>Thanks for the advices.
Although, M&T and Huntsman programs are really good but they are not focus on finance, right? If S wants to study in finance, is it still good idea to try to get into thses 2 programs?</p>
<p>jds3, your son can obtain answers to these questions from the web site to which I linked above, as well as from the specific web sites of the M & T and Huntsman programs:</p>
<p>[THE</a> JEROME FISHER PROGRAM IN MANAGEMENT & TECHNOLOGY](<a href=“Jerome Fisher Program in Management & Technology: M&T Home”>Jerome Fisher Program in Management & Technology: M&T Home)</p>
<p>[Huntsman</a> Program in International Studies & Business](<a href=“The Huntsman Program in International Studies and Business - The Huntsman Program in International Studies and Business”>The Huntsman Program in International Studies and Business - The Huntsman Program in International Studies and Business)</p>
<p>I believe that he could concentrate in finance within the Wharton component of those 2 programs or, at the very least, take several finance courses. Others who are currently enrolled in those programs could provide more detail, but your son should be able to also learn a lot by reviewing the web sites to which I’ve linked.</p>
<p>Further, you should be aware that even if your son is unable to gain admission to one of those two specific joint degree programs, he could still be admitted to Wharton and pursue his own dual degree curriculum (getting undergraduate degrees both from Wharton and and from the College of Arts and Sciences or the School of Engineering and Applied Science), or he could just take courses in the College and/or SEAS relevant to his interests in addition to his Wharton curriculum. Wharton, and Penn in general, offer a unique degree of flexibility in that regard.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot
I’ll take your words. I’ve been browse those 3 site. Just want to get other person’s opinion 
btw, we are Canadian-- they count as international, that’s most I am worrying about
Appreciated your help</p>
<p>Keep in mind that Wharton does not offer the BBA degree (bachelor in business administration), but rather the BS in economics. Penn doesn’t believe that a BBA is prestigious enough. (read this in some book)</p>
<p>Whether in Huntsman/M&T or not, every Wharton student has to declare a concentration (it’s called concentration and not major because every student gets the same degree: a B.S. in Economics). Thus, students in Huntsman or M&T can still concentrate in Finance.</p>
<p>However, it strikes me as a bit odd that you consider M&T AND Huntsman! While both may be prestigious and selective, the two programs are very different. Is your son interested in Engineering or International Relations?! Or is it really just finance? Because in this case, it wouldn’t make any sense to apply to a dual degree program…Even, if “only” enrolled in Wharton, he can (and must) still take a lot of courses (40%) outside of the business school.</p>
<p>Seriously, it’s just a small part of the Wharton UG population that is enrolled in such a program. All the other successful Whartons grad have excellent job opportunities too.</p>
<p>^Plus, over 30% of Wharton undergrads graduate from Penn with dual degrees (i.e., an additional degree from one of Penn’s other undergraduate schools), and the vast majority of those dual degree recipients were not enrolled in one of the highly selective formalized dual degree programs such as Huntsman and M & T.</p>
<p>By the way, Rister_Chutophs, when are you going to change your location destination to just Penn? :)</p>
<p>“Keep in mind that Wharton does not offer the BBA degree (bachelor in business administration),”
I heard Upenn do offer BBA, am I wrong?
"Is your son interested in Engineering or International Relations?! Or is it really just finance? "
Yes. He is like Finance and/or business management. BUT I hear from a few poeple saying even for finance filed having an engineering or industrail background would be a good add-on, any comments on this?
I read this from another thread:
"Re academics, Chicago is generally regarded as one of the top 3 or 4 programs in the nation (along with MIT, Stanford and Harvard). Penn is generally placed in the next grouping, i.e., ranked 5-8. "
Is this true? what’s going on? If S has choice which school is better in term of finance/BA? Harvard, Stanford, and Upenn?</p>
<p>Sorry for some reason I can’t using the quote reply</p>
<p>Wharton does not offer a BBA, but a BS in Economics. It is a business degree, and employers will recognize it as such, but they just choose not to call it a BBA.</p>
<p>Also, the 5-8 ranking that you see for Penn is it’s economics program not it’s finance program. If your son wants to do Finance, Penn/Wharton is his best bet. If he is interested in engineering as well, then the M&T program might not be a bad choice, although it is extremely difficult to be accepted to.</p>
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<p>I’ll wait until I filled out that reply card…I haven’t even received my acceptance package yet. I know, I know, I’m an ass but it’s still cool to have a bunch of different schools as your location ;)</p>
<p>By the way, are you a Penn student? How bad is King’s Court really??</p>
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Yeah pretty much. UPenn offers the B.A. in Economics (College) and the B.S. in Economics (Wharton). There is also the PPE major (Politics, Philosophy and Economics).
I have no idea what a BBA is supposed to be, but I’m sure you it’s very similar to at least one of Wharton’s concentrations: [The</a> Wharton School - Undergraduate Division](<a href=“http://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/concentrations/concentrations.cfm]The”>http://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/concentrations/concentrations.cfm)</p>
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Well, I guess it wouldn’t hurt but if he’s not really interested in engineering, I don’t think applying to M&T makes much sense.
He can always take courses in the engineering school or minor, or – as 45%er said – even major in some kind of engineering. But yeah, I mean if it’s what he wants to do, by all means he should go for M&T!</p>
<p>jds3, fyi, there is one more business program in the Ivy. Cornell’s Applied Economics and Management. Business week just ranked it 4th overall in the ug business school ranking and #1 in Financial management, marketing and microeconomics.
But you always have to take these ranking with a grain of salt.
My older son was at Penn doing a double degree Bioengineering and Wharton. My younger son is currently at Cornell AEM cause he wants to break out of older brother’s shadow. I think the Wharton program is a little stronger. But my younger son is really enjoying Cornell and blossoms in the social and non-academic aspects which is also crucial for future business success due to the set up of Cornell’s campus environments.
I am happy for both of their experiences at both schools.
BTW, I am a Penn DMD and my wife a Wharton MBA. So we should have bias towards Penn. But I have to say, so far I am quite impressed with Cornell also.</p>
<p>"Yeah pretty much. UPenn offers the B.A. in Economics (College) and the B.S. in Economics (Wharton). There is also the PPE major (Politics, Philosophy and Economics). "</p>
<p>I got it now. Thanks all for the helps</p>