What are my chances at UNC, UMichigan, UVA, UChicago, and Northwestern all out of state?

I don’t know if this has been mentioned…but I would also take a look at the University of Rochester.

Definitely Rochester.

I might add RPI, RIT, and WPI to the list as well.

And for a Business major, Babson perhaps?

@“nick.celotto”. I gave you very good advice. It’s your choice to follow it. Talk to your advisor and take a quick look at Naviance. Many have much higher stats and don’t get into the UCs. My own son had a 34 act with 3.9 unweighted and 4.9 weighted and did an engineering program on Berkeleys campus and they just laughed at him through his rejection notice He had good Ecs . Since being at Michigan he has been to California twice, once on Michigan’s dime to start a student org involving USC, Berkeley, MIT, Stanford and Harvard… Ha… Who’s laughing now… Lol ?.

Well. they are laughing a little bit, since your OOS fully pay at UMich, and UCB would have to give that big in state discount.

@CU123. We are from Chicago… Lol… We would be full pay anyway but with two in college we actually get some money from Michigan… So… Lol… Who’s laughing now once again ?.

I guess its UIUC then. :smile:

@“nick.celotto” TBH, your EC’s are roughly average, I think. But they’re not “out of this world” recruited athlete or national award winner type EC’s. And that’s OK. UC’s focus heavily on GPA, and course rigor, at least for instate students.

@ sushiritto my track times are on par with those on some of the great academic D3 schools (UChicago, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Emory, etc. Would trying to self-recruit myself and their coach actually wanting me on their team increase my chances of admission?

“With all that being said, do you think going that top 20 route (Vandy, NW, etc) ED1 then if I don’t get in go ED2 somewhere else would be logical?”

Sure it is logical. But there’s some downside too. Since at many schools the admissions boost you get for an ED2 application is not as big as the boost you get from an ED1 application. So there’s a risk if you overthink/over-game this exercise.

Best thing for ED is to hone in on one school that is a really good fit and which (giving effect to the ED boost) is a pretty good chance of admission. Since you can only shoot one ED1 silver bullet, the plan doesn’t work nearly so well if you miss with that one shot.

I’d agree that the sports angle to a fancy D3 is another potential sweet spot. But playing that “hook” is a completely different, lengthy process.

Absolutely, your chances will be enhanced IF you can a track coach interested in you, whether it’s a scholarship or PWO. Look up EC tiers. There are four tiers AFAIK. Recruited athlete is a tier 1 EC, IIRC.

My own 2021 kid will be a 4-year varsity starter and will be a captain next year. Lots of volunteer hours, PT job, etc. But unfortunately, these are just average EC’s.

WashU and Chicago are among the 2 best programs in D3 for men’s track and field/cross-country. But their athletes generally have roughly the same grades/standardized test scores as the regular student body.

It’s fine to contact a coach and send film to see if there is any interest. But your grades/SAT should be close to the typical applicant.

WashU has undergraduate business through Olin. Chicago has no undergraduate business school and the Economics major is one of the best. It’s going to be tough unless you can catch the eye of a coach.

@Hamurtle If I get my SAT up to a 1500 when I take it again, I will be within the 25th-75th percentile at both schools, and my GPA is solid (with a major upward trend from sophomore to junior year). And my times are very comparable with their current athletes