What are my daughters chances of getting into the following schools?

<p>3.7 GPA (last year of HS 4.0 unweighted), 27 ACT, Geographically Diverse (Midwest) Adopted from S. Korea, Class Secretary SHE IS NOT INTERESTED IN STEM. She wants to major in Political Science.</p>

<p>Reach Schools: Oberlin College, Kenyon College, Wesleyan U. (Ct.), </p>

<p>Moderate Reach: Clark U., Allegheny College, Muhlenberg College, Hampshire Collegee, Bennington College,<br>
Wheaton College, Trinity College (Ct.) Union College, Dickinson College, Bard College</p>

<p>Expected Acceptance: Hiram College, Earlham College, College of Wooster, </p>

<p>Safety Schools: Wittenberg College, Roanoke College, Hobart and William Smith </p>

<p>Her reach schools are just that…reaches. With a 27 ACT, they will be difficult admits. Is she retaking or taking the SAT? Trinity, Dickinson, Muhlenberg, and Union…also would be reaches, in my opinion.</p>

<p>it’s a very long list and could probably be trimmed quite abit. If the safety schools are financial safeties also then 2 or 3 is plenty. 2 or 3 reaches are also plenty and they will be reaches with a 27 ACT. Maybe have her parse out some of those middle college looking closer at match for poli sci and fit so the entire process is more manageable - she can only attend 1 college. </p>

<p>Agreed…19 is a lot of colleges. </p>

<p>I would pick the top two reaches only. And I would pick those from your reach and moderate reach lists.</p>

<p>Please explain your difference between “exoected acceptance” and “safety”.</p>

<p>If expected acceptance schools are matches…the call them matches. </p>

<p>Does your high school have Naviance? If so, look at that for these schools.</p>

<p>Are finances a consideration? Those three reach schools give primarily need based aid.</p>

<p>Also, I’m not sure I understand this list. It runs from the liberal and open curriculum (Hampshire, Wesleyan, Bennington, Bard…to the more conservative.</p>

<p>Dickinson is test optional, she might consider not sending her scores there. Her ACT puts her at only the 25% mark there if she send it in. My D1 was a Political Science major there and loved it. Does she have ECs that you haven’t mentioned? </p>

<p>Thumper I also thought the list was odd with Hampshire, Wes, Bennington and Bard and then the more conservative schools. If she “likes” the quirky, hipster schools then perhaps the more preppy, conservative ones are those they could be dropped. Anyway, some parsing could be done relatively easily. If finances are not a concern then an application list can definitely be tightened up quite easily. Most people have a big, long cumbersome list because they are fishing for money anywhere and anyhow.</p>

<p>The reason I asked about finacpncial aid needs is that most test optional schools are not test optional for merit aid purposes. So if merit aid is desired, she will probably have to send test scores.</p>

<p>That’s what we found when applying. Dickinson is a wonderful school, but I believe you need a 1350 (M+CR) to be considered for their 3 merit scholarships ($20K, $15K, $10K I believe) - Hobart & William Smith also has a number of sizable scholarships, but I think you need to have submitted scores. Did she take SAT? </p>

<p>She may want to consider some of the women’s colleges such as Agnes Scott, Simmons, Hollins or Cedar Crest.</p>

<p>Well, I can tell you something about Dickinson, if they really like you, they will bend those rules on the scores. My D1 knocked her interview out of the park with the admissions officer there, and had some really strong ECs, and they gave her better merit than the ranges on the website showed. (IMHO, a correct analysis on their part, she ended up graduating Phi Beta Kappa. :slight_smile: ). </p>

<p>Maybe the OP and daughter haven’t visited a lot of these schools (or they are a mix of parent and student desires), because I agree there there is quite a bit of variety in atmosphere.</p>

<p>That list has a lot of CTCL schools in the midwest, they have certain similarities.The geo diversity won’t help her there but maybe will in the NE.</p>

<p>OK, This is the deal. Our son is a hippie, left wing, crunchy granola, vegan, These are schools to which he applied ad was accepted - Bard, Evergreen, Hampshire and Marlboro. He chose Marlboro and they chose him. A perfect fit. </p>

<p>With reference to daughter, it get trickier. We are not originally from the Midwest. She is turned off by all the attention that football, frat houses and marching bands get out here. It’s culture shock to her. We know that Marlboro, Evergreen are out. Too far out. She is looking for a college somewhat in the middle. And it’s proven hard to find.</p>

<p>A generation ago my wife turned down Bard and Hampshire, because they were too hippie-ish. She also turned down Skidmore and Syracuse because they were too middle-of -the-road. She also turned down Vassar even though she was a legacy, because it still had a huge gender imbalance, as did Skidmore. Clark, at the time, was solidly politically and socially liberal, but somewhat traditional. Is that still accurate? Our daughter has her own views of what she wants in a school and we are looking to fulfill them. It isn’t easy.</p>

<p>She does NOT want a woman’s college. We suggested MHC, she thought about it and rejected the idea. When we showed her the postings about MHC and the milk and cookies parties, as well as the tradition of naming classes after mythological creatures, she thought it was silly, and quaint. But not her thing. Her cousin goes to Wellesley and she told her that they roll hula hoops into the lake, she also found that bizarre. It may be fine fine for some students, but she’s not buying into it. ALL woman colleges are out. She wants to major in Political Science at a politically liberal college. She wants a socially accepting atmosphere, but not a completely counter culture atmosphere.</p>

<p>Wesleyan seems like a good fit, and it is in a city, which she prefers. We are well aware that it’s a reach.
Oberlin stays because it seems as though she would like it and as a minority, we think that she has a shot. </p>

<p>My wife read that Trinity is becoming less preppy. The article actually said “Wesleyanized” and that they are actively seeking students who are not from prep schools, as well as looking to add to geographic diversity.</p>

<p>She prefers New England and Upstate NY. Her two years in PA, soured her on the state. The Lutheran Colleges and there because she is Lutheran, and will receive special consideration. We do not think Muhlenburg is out of reach and there are many Jewish students. My wife is Lutheran and I am Jewish. Generally, Jews tend to be liberal. ELCA Lutherans are also fairly liberal, but less so outside of NY and NJ. </p>

<p>I am new to this forum. So if my terminology is off, please cut me some slack.I think it’s presumptuous to call any college a “match” before she gets a letter of acceptance. My wife’s sister was active on this forum several years ago and bought into the idea of colleges being a “match” despite the fact that we begged her to include some safety schools. She was only accepted to two all women’s colleges and SUNY Geneseo. To be fair, she had few ECs and her GPA was never as high as our daughter’s is now. She is a mediocre writer and not very verbal. We don’t think that four hours of homework, and eschewing ECs helped her either. GPA was 3.85, we are told. If she was a national Merit Scholar, you can be assured we would have been told. I think her EC Junior and Senior year was private SAT tutoring. </p>

<p>I’d love to narrow down the list - or add to it. That’s why I came to this forum. We are open to ideas. We also admit that it isn’t easy to match her with a college that she will love - and will love her back. </p>

<p>We will be visiting our son at Marlboro in October for Family weekend and we will visit many schools at that time. The main problem is her first two years of HS. We think she will do better on the SATs and colleges will be able to see the disparity of her scores. </p>

<p>Too bad you can’t get her to visit a women’s college. I think Smith or Mount Holyoke might appeal to her more than she realizes. My D2 has a counter-culture streak and didn’t think she wanted a women’s colelge, and she still found MHC (and how empowered women are there) to be very appealing once she visited. It is far from frats and marching bands, which would appeal to your D, too. Sounds like your D is fixating on a couple of things to reject those schools… her loss, and yours potentially, too (good merit aid available and strong academics). They are some of the best deals around.</p>

<p>And she rejects all PA schools… that is cutting out a lot, too. Colleges tend to be sort of in bubbles, and a lot of students come from out of state. She might be perfectly happy at a PA school if she gives it a shot. And… some of the schools on your list are in PA. So… are they in the pool or out of the pool for consideration?</p>

<p>Your comments seem very scattered to me. Here is some advice:

  • If you don’t have one, get a copy of the Fiske Guide to Colleges and spend some time with your D going over it looking for schools that appeal to her.
  • Visit schools, but don’t jam them in two a day. Go for a tour, have your kid sit in on a class, eat in the cafeteria, etc. It feels to me like she (and maybe you guys?) reject on a whim. No college is perfect – take the time to really look hard if you go for a visit. She likely will end up at a less that perfect school anyway. We visited a lot (20 schools for each kid – I know, a TON – and I think we only left 1 visit early because it so clearly was not a fit). Give the schools a chance. I would push your D hard on this – don’t letter kick out a school because of a hula hoop tradition. That is as dumb a reason to go to a school as reject it. As parents, part of your job is to help her focus on what is important in a school. Academics, post-graduate opportunities, ECs, general vibe. Don’t get as caught up as she is in the unimportant things.
  • You need to figure out this concept of match vs. reach vs. safety. Maybe your relative didn’t understand it, but it is a very valid concept. BUT, know this… GPA isn’t as important as test scores. Yes, colleges will tell you it is. They are not really being truthful. GPA is hard to compare across high schools and hard for them to brag about for their accepted students. Test scores are money in the bank on both those counts. Does she need a good GPA? Yes, and strong course rigor. But if the test scores aren’t there, then it probably isn’t a match. And a match is not test scores in the 25-75% range. It is test scores at the 50% mark or better on all scores. And of course every student needs safeties – that doesn’t invalidate the concept of trying to figure out matches as well.
  • Your student should be willing to attend every school she applies to (reach, match, and safety).<br>
  • Wes is a huge reach – 25% SAT mark for them is 30. They did go test optional this year, but her chances are still going to be slim. She is below the 25% mark at Oberlin and Kenyon as well. Also, maybe I am misunderstanding your post, but I would not count on South Korean to give her minority status and a leg up in admissions. It isn’t a hindrance like it would be at an Ivy or major research university, but it isn’t like to help her. I would consider her “unhooked” from what I can tell from your posts.</p>

<p>First of all, it is not a “dumb idea” not to go to a school with hula hoop traditions. She said she did that a sleep awaypay camp at age 9. Also, what is the big deal about “woman’s colleges”. If she was interested in the woman’s schools we wou</p>

<p>First of all, it is not a “dumb idea” not to go to a school with hula hoop traditions. She said she did that a sleep awaypay camp at age 9. Also, what is the big deal about “woman’s colleges”. If she was interested in the woman’s schools we wou</p>

<p>She’s a senior, right? You might want to stop by the class of 2015 parent group, there have been some good college visit reports there and some fine camaraderie as well :): <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/class-20xx-community/1086324-parents-of-the-hs-class-of-2015.html”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/class-20xx-community/1086324-parents-of-the-hs-class-of-2015.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>You said money is not an issue, right? SO LACs can be suggested without regard for merit or financial aid policies?</p>

<p>Don’t worry about your daughter not wanting to look at all women colleges. My daughter didn’t want to look at them either. It’s okay. I think when we visit schools, the kids may come up with a “dumb” excuse but really the vibe is all wrong and they know it. I would trust the child rather than push my own agenda (much easier said than done). After all, they’re the ones who have to live and attend the college, not me or you.</p>

<p>D originally got a 27 on her ACT (she has since retaken the ACT and her score has increased significantly but the list remains the same). Being indifferent to team sports, not wanting Greek life and preferring a LAC over research university, we put together her school list based on that score (her GPA is lower than your daughter’s, so take this with a grain of salt). This list pretty much covers the entire US; no geographic constraints: UMBC, St. Mary’s College of Maryland, UNC-Asheville, New College of Florida (D’s reach), Hendrix, Willamette, University of Puget Sound and Cornell College (IA). FWIW, she never considered any of your daughter’s reach schools - we both felt they were out-of-reach but that was based on her GPA <em>and</em> original ACT combined.</p>

<p>Have you and your daughter gone to a College That Change Lives fair? It’s a nice small presentation with 40-43 colleges there. We went and D was able to talk to several reps. She eliminated Hampshire after a 10 minute conversation and added Willamette after talking to the admission director for about 15-20 minutes. Whitman (already a reach) was also eliminated after listening to the admissions rep.</p>

<p>Take a quick look at <a href=“http://www.collegesimply.com/guides/27-on-the-act/#.VB3XXPldWSo”>http://www.collegesimply.com/guides/27-on-the-act/#.VB3XXPldWSo&lt;/a&gt; for possible schools.</p>

<p>I did not say that money was not an option. I said that it was not what I was discussing here. And I will not be disusing
finances in the future.
I started a post before and there was a technical glitch. So I will continue here. Again, I am still getting used to this forum. Please bare with me.</p>

<p>Thanks OHMom. I will stop by this group. I could use some camaraderie. I’m not getting much here.</p>

<p>I do not think my daughter is being “closed minded” for not wanting to attend an all women’s college. I think that’s the normative preference today. I can’t believe that I’m being raked over the coals because I have a daughter who wants a co-ed school. </p>

<p>However, we are not attending college. She is. So yes, we will listen to her and respect her opinions. She will be spending four years there, not us. If she wanted to attend OSU, or another Big Ten school, we would also have no objection. However, she does not.</p>

<p>We have all of the college books, including the Fisk Guide, Cool Colleges, Colleges that Change Lives, Barrons, The Insider’s Guide to Colleges, Americas Top 300 something Colleges and Universities. </p>

<p>To address the issue of PA, given the choice of PA or Midwestern colleges, she prefers the Midwest. PA is not known for it’s progressive colleges. I’m not sure why I should force her to look into colleges that actually do not seem to be that liberal in a state that is in the opposite direction from where we live, where her brother atends, and where she wants to be.
There is no logic in that. </p>

<p>From our niece’s description of Wellesley, our daughter has decided that it is pretty much the antithesis of what she likes. She is not twee, and the quaint anachronistic traditions do not attract her. </p>

<p>However, because of the location, and the fact that MHC is near Hampshire, she will look at it. </p>

<p>She has received invitations to apply early to College of Wooster and Wittenburg, both with a non-binding early action option. Oberlin sounded very interested and encouraging when they spoke to our daughter on the phone.
They absolutely DO think that our daughter, as an adopted Asian; would contribute diversity. </p>

<p>I’d love to hear more about what Clark is like today. And colleges similar to Clark. colleges in New England, NY State, and possibly the eastern Midwest that are co-educational and progressive.</p>

<p>Um…your daughter is adopted from Korea. She is an American citizen. She is not a minority…in fact, at many colleges, Asian students are an over represented group of applicants. I would not count on this as a “hook” for admissions. There are many students her age who have been adopted from Asian (and other) countries.</p>

<p>There are plenty of colleges in PA that are not Lutheran. What about the consortium schools near Philadelphia? What about Lehigh, Lafayette, Villanova. They would not be safeties, but they would be worth a look see. </p>

<p>What about Marist? No longer religiously affiliated! Nice location, nice school. What about Hofsta?</p>

<p>What about one of the colleges in the Albany area? What about one of the SUNY schools? </p>

<p>No shortage of great schools.</p>

<p>BTW, visit Middletown. Yes, it’s a city, but it’s not Boston or NYC. And Trinity is located in Hartford, but really, going off campus isn’t a good idea.</p>

<p>Would she consider the west coast? It sounds like Pitzer College in the Claremont Consortium might appeal to her. They are test-optional, although I think her test scores are probably within range anyway. Having the other colleges in the consortium really gives the students a lot of options both socially and academically. Where some small schools might start to feel too small after a couple of years, having the diversity of five rather different campuses can be a real bonus.
Isn’t Wesleyan test optional now, too? </p>