<p>Come on have u not seen Alexandre’s infamous tier system.</p>
<p>Dont indulge him lol</p>
<p>I wanna see!! :D</p>
<p>“Someone makes a favorable ranking for UMich. Rankings not so bad afterall.”</p>
<p>Really sefago? Care to share with the class who praised such a ranking?</p>
<p>rjk applauding the tier system
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<p>By the way Mich and berkeley should be moved a tier down, hold on let me fix it</p>
<p>Tier 1: HYPSM
Tier 2: Lower Ivies, Duke, Chicago, Hopkins, NU
Tier 3: UCLA, Vandy, UCB, Michigan, Virginia,Wash U, Emory, CMU, Rice e.t.c</p>
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<p>Actually, this seems like a reasonable way to group the schools with regards to their undergraduate programs, though I’d cut out Caltech on the basis that I consider it in the same light as I do Julliard and Cooper Union. While I don’t mean to fan the flames any, at the undergraduate level, class size does indeed play a role in teaching quality, and public schools (UMich and UCB) can’t compare for the most part.</p>
<p>Then again, I’ve never attended either of those schools, but I do understand that at several top-private schools it’s not uncommon to have classes with less than four students enrolled.</p>
<p>Throwing in a thanks to sefago for not forgetting Chicago. We like to pretend to be an inconspicuous state school sometimes. ;)</p>
<p>" While I don’t mean to fan the flames any, at the undergraduate level, class size does indeed play a role in teaching quality, and public schools (UMich and UCB) can’t compare for the most part."</p>
<p>Look at this ranking. No Duke to be found here. :-)</p>
<p>[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank)</p>
<p>OMG! Look what two large publics come in at #6 AND #8! I guess class size isn’t the biggest determinator.</p>
<p>^ cant argue with that</p>
<p>Chicago is actually a school I respect overall as a university. Its strong all round in the liberal arts plus (and most important) it is very undergraduate focused. Infact, I would not be arguing that much if the debate was over Chicago- I would put columbia and chicago right after HYPSMC. Sorry caltech stays- they have undergrad programs in the social sciences, just you dont hear much about it and its probably taught from the science perspective.</p>
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<p>Didn’t you just swear off rankings? ;)</p>
<p>^^^Only use them when someone makes a comment that I find inaccurate. ;-)</p>
<p>"Tier 1: HYPSM
Tier 2: Lower Ivies, Duke, Chicago, Hopkins, NU
Tier 3: UCLA, Vandy, UCB, Michigan, Virginia,Wash U, Emory, CMU, Rice e.t.c "</p>
<p>Sefago, although I do not agree entirely with your grouping, I would not argue against it as it is consistant and fair. On a side note, you forgot Caltech and Chicago, both of which belong in group 2.</p>
<p>Allow me to fix this up Alexandre.</p>
<p>Tier 1: HYPSM
Tier 2: Lower Ivies, Berkeley, Caltech, Chicago, Hopkins, Michigan, NU
Tier 3: UCLA, Vandy, Virginia,Wash U, Emory, CMU, Rice, Wisconsin e.t.c "</p>
<p>Now that looks better…:-)</p>
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<p>rjk likes rankings just as much as I do. Its human nature to love rankings. He just doesnt like rankings that suck for UMich. General thinking process of a UMich grad:</p>
<p>Rhodes & churchhill scholar rankings=Bad (only a few schools win rhodes)
USNEWS bad (too many private schools, focuses on immaterial things like alumni donation. I kind of like the peer ranking though, its awesome)
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PA scores (excellent, would use to support my points. Who knows more than paper-pushing administrators who give their secretaries the right to fill the USNWR PA survey on their behalf)</p>
<p>If only Michigan had a Lacrosse. team… or does it?</p>
<p>Nope all the lax bros are at duke and johns hopkins</p>
<p>It actually has a Men’s Club team 
and I’ll be rooting for Duke this coming spring season :D</p>
<p>Club level currently. It sounds like it is going to be at the varsity level soon:</p>
<p>[Michigan</a> Lacrosse May Go NCAA Soon! | UMGoBlog.COM](<a href=“http://umgoblog.com/index.php/2010/12/michigan-lacrosse-may-go-ncaa-soon/]Michigan”>http://umgoblog.com/index.php/2010/12/michigan-lacrosse-may-go-ncaa-soon/)</p>
<p>dude that would be awesome :D</p>
<p>You actually watch lacrosse really?? Like sit down, and proper watch it. Not like someone forces you to watch it.</p>
<p>Lacrosse is only popular in schools in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic region. Its just like ultimate frisbee or whatever its called</p>