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By that logic, I would worry that most other Ivy schools would be in the red in their score totals.</p>
<p>for the second semester of last year (junior year), the only school i even considered was berkeley really. as someone from california, i just want to say that it is rather easy to get into berkeley, from personal experience. no, you can’t be the person with the 1500 who never shows up to class, but it’s no where near the selectivity of schools like HYPSM. i’ve also heard about how it often takes more than 4 years to graduate, and that there are too many people in general. don’t get me wrong, berkeley is obviously a very good school, but i ultimately chose cornell over it. yes cornell is pretty big too, but it’s still smaller than berkeley, and its student stats are better too. </p>
<p>if i had to rank the schools, it’d go something like this:
HYPSMC
then it’d be like the other ivies + uchicago, duke, WashU</p>
<p>@UBC
“Give me a break. Berkeley’s academics are still top-notch and distinction continues. Here are some recent achievements:”
You just quoted grad stats. We just established we weren’t concerned over grad stats, but rather undergrad stats. And yes, grad plays somewhat of role in undergrad. However, this role is not quantifiable and as people have said the budget cuts are impacting the overall quality of school. People not being able to graduate in four years is a problem and such a problem would be quite problematic. If UCB can’t even graduate it’s students on time, how can they be considered so highly prestigious? And again overall, the stats of UCB are lower than the other schools we’re comparing it to. Compared to other schools in it’s range, it’s extremely easy stats wise to get into. I considered Berkley a “safety” school when I applied to schools. Compared to other top schools, it’s undergraduate reputation just does not compare.</p>
<p>“I considered Berkley a “safety” school when I applied to schools. Compared to other top schools, it’s undergraduate reputation just does not compare.”</p>
<p>Please don’t tell me you are attending NYU…</p>
<p>Indeed I am. Philosophy at NYU is arguably the best in the US.</p>
<p>NYU, I was trying to dispute Prince’s claim that Berkeley had been just riding its reputation from 50 years ago. I’ve said undergrad stats don’t compare because it is a large public university. A university’s academic reputation is primarily derived from faculty accomplishments.</p>
<p>I understand that however, accomplishment of faculty is correlational to undergraduate reputation, not directly proportionate. If faculty is the basis for ranking “prestige” or similarity to HYPSM, your evidence would significantly alter the view of what schools belong where. For example, NYU ranks ahead of quite a few ivy league and other elite private schools in numbers on the data provided. Does that mean that it’s undergraduate reputation should be directly proportional? No. It simply mean that NYU employs some very intelligent and accomplished professors who mainly work in the graduate department and occasionally take on undergraduate classes. Simply providing statistics for faculty or grad program reputation only provides some sort of evidential basis for where to begin ranking specific schools and in what order. Numbers alone do not mean prestige or high reputations in the undergraduate area. If we were working on those numbers alone, I feel that NYU would deserve more recognition than it gets. However, I don’t see this to be this case.</p>
<p>I’m not going to rehash a grad vs. undergrad debate here.</p>
<p>NYU certainly has strong faculty representing a narrower range of academic disciplines.</p>
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And ended up at Rutgers.</p>
<p>Indeed. Because I chose a school to attend, didn’t like it, transferred out, then transferred again. And where am I now? Rutgers? No. NYU? Yes. Where was I accepted? Emory, UCB, NYU, UM, Cornell and Duke. I had a wide selection of schools. I was at Rutgers simply because I hated my original school. Don’t make assumptions and then attempt to degrade someone in a argument - it only shows you lack evidence for your point and have to revert to degradation to attempt to support yourself. Nice try though.</p>
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Funny because you neglected to mention those other “safeties” here:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1066034360-post7.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1066034360-post7.html</a></p>
<p>Doesn’t really matter to me though. Glad you found peace in NYC.</p>
<p>Again. You make assumptions. Remember: I applied to transfer TWICE. 1st time I applied to Emory, Duke, UCB, Cornell and Columbia. Was accepted by Emory, Duke, UCB and Cornell. I didn’t want to attend Emory because of location or Duke because of location or Cornell because of location and UCB because of location. So I transferred into Rutgers. Then applied for transfer again. To where? Emory, NYU and UM. Accepted to all three. I’ll send you over the acceptance letters if you want. Now then, since you’ve made a fool of yourself. I suggest you stop trying to argue personal situations in an argument over school quality. You’re only proving you have no solid evidence for what you’re arguing and instead what to discredit me. Again, nice try - but it doesn’t work.</p>
<p>^ Glad you edited your post to include “UCB”. ;)</p>
<p>You probably just “forgot that one”…but like you said, I’m making assumptions.</p>
<p>Again - I’ll fax you a copy of the letter if you want it. Besides, I wasn’t aware that you required ad hominem to prove your points - well until now that is. So, anytime I see a post by you, I’ll be sure to inform OP that you’ll be making ad hominem statements pretty soon and disregard your statements. Since apparently you have nothing better to do than criticize me.</p>
<p>Funny how berkeley and michigan students bash schools outrightly while if you make any comment that these schools are not as good as Penn, Duke e.t.c you get called by their alumnis private school snob or something in that vein. Just ;look at rjknovi insulting nyu, a school that is ranked very close to MIchigan in the USNEWS lol</p>
<p>Michigan: 29
NYU: 33</p>
<p>They want to hang with the big boys or girls hehe but snob their peers</p>
<p>^EXACTLY! Look at how many Michigan students/alumni on this forum absolutely detest being compared to Wake Forest, a great undergraduate school, as if they are somehow superior and deserve to be ranked way higher.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if MrPrince really attend MIT. I’ve shown him stats many times than I can actually count that show Berkeley’s student body is comparable to Cornell. Despite that, he keeps praising Cornell because it is an Ivy and bashing Berkeley because it is a State U. It goes to show that there is something wrong with MrPrince coherence of thinking. I don’t know how to exchange posts with him/her anymore.</p>
<p>NYU2013, not even HYPSMC (especially MIT and Caltech) can graduate all their students on time. Be realistic.</p>
<p>“EXACTLY! Look at how many Michigan students/alumni on this forum absolutely detest being compared to Wake Forest, a great undergraduate school, as if they are somehow superior and deserve to be ranked way higher.”</p>
<p>A few points LDB:</p>
<p>1) Attending a school, no matter how good, does not make one superior. Perhaps you think you are superior to others simply because you attend a good university, but most of us do not assume we are great just because we attended a great university.</p>
<p>2) Only three Michigan students or alums have posted on this entire thread.</p>
<p>3) Can you show me a post on this thread where a Michigan student or alum suggested that Michigan is close to being similar to HYPSM? </p>
<p>4) Can you show me a post on this thread where a Michigan student or alum suggested that he/she/or the university is superior to Wake or NYU and/or its students.</p>
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I’m sorry, lesdiablesbleus, but the collective opinion of 2000 academics disagrees with you.</p>
<p>4.4 Michigan
3.5 Wake Forest</p>
<p>Michigan is obviously an elite school, while Wake Forest is clearly fit only for the production of janitors. Additionally, people on subway trains in Uzbekistan do not recognize Wake Forest, so obviously it is vastly inferior. Heck, I have never even heard of this “Wake Forest.” How many faculty members in the National Academy of Engineering does it have??</p>