<p>^^^See, somebody else at least gets it! Just kidding obviously. Once again this whole thread was started by a Duke graduate, or so he has claimed, with the hopes of someone mentioning his school as elite as HYPSM. So don’t act holier than thou most of you Dukie supporters.</p>
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LOL RML. Why would I EVER need to lie that I’m at MIT? What a sad thing you suggest. Based on your premature responses at CC, I find it much harder to believe you were affiliated with Google, Stanford, and Cambridge.
Chill out.
And yes, Cornell is better than UMichigan. But if you want to save money, UMich is a better alternative. Reality is that in the best and most trustworthy rankings, USNEWS, UMich is somewhere in the mid 30s and Berkeley barely in the top 25. People don’t care about peer reviews, average of rankings “RML Rankings”, number of Nobel Laurettes and Goldman scholars. Why? People have better things to do than fawn over HYPSM and universities. Getting laid is a top priority for example. Making new friends and developing hobbies are usually what normal people focus at in case you didn’t know. If any college undergrad subject comes up, USNEWS is frequently cited. No one argues against their methodology like you people. Normal people usually chill out and accept the rankings. </p>
<p>Anyways to make you feel better, Berkeley is 25 out of 20000 universities in America. That’s actually really good. So good job for picking up your “wife” from such a great university. </p>
<p>UCBChemE - I take your points into great consideration. My respect for Berkeley has increased by 10%. Seriously, good job :)</p>
<p>rjkofnovi - I don’t even know what you’re trying to say. But if you’re trying to sound intelligent, you might want to do it elsewhere because its really not working.</p>
<p>warblersrule - You pretty much pwned this entire thread. NICE!</p>
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<p>Only if you live in Michigan. Otherwise Cornell FA >> Michigan FA…</p>
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<p>US News is the most prominent ranking. Doesn’t mean it’s the best or most trustworthy. </p>
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<p>… all this said by the dude who started the thread. You sound like a hypocrite. :P</p>
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<p>Wait, what? I see MrPrince started the thread not a Duke grad.</p>
<p>“Wait, what? I see MrPrince started the thread not a Duke grad.”</p>
<p>My understanding was that he was a Duke graduate who is now attending MIT for graduate school. I believe he indicated that he studied biomedical engineeing, an area where Duke is particularly strong.</p>
<p>^No…I’m an undergrad at MIT as per indicated on my “Location.” I never studied at Duke. My younger brother does however. I can’t believe I have to explain out everything to you. You are a super intelligent UMich grad no? If you had brains, you would click my profile and look towards the right.
“Date of Birth
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<p>I’m not being a hypocrite by starting this thread. The question I’ve asked is a very general-minded one that a LOT of people ask. Besides this is CC.</p>
<p>Usc> hpysm</p>
<p>Obviously I must have mistaken MrPince for another individual. I apologize for that error. Perhaps it was this statement that threw me off a bit from a previous post of his:</p>
<p>11-13-2010, 07:26 PM #177<br>
MrPrince
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<p>Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Shin Sekai –> MIT’13
Posts: 114 USC, Stanford, Duke, and UPenn are high on the rise. </p>
<p>“My alma mater has already reached the pinnacle though” </p>
<p>You do realize that talking about your alma mater indicates that you graduated from it right?</p>
<p>No he works for MIT as a janitor, in my humble opinion. </p>
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See? this is why I find it hard to believe that you study at MIT. Why? Because you either are a lier or a slow person. Berkeley has always been ranked # 21 or #20. It’s only this year that it’s ranked #22. And, it’s either you knew that and you only lied that you didn’t, or you do not know that #20 or #21 is NOT BARELY top 25. BARELY TOP 25 is #24 or #25. Now tell me if that’s how MIT students think… Well, like I said, I know a bunch of MIT graduates and they’re nothing like you think.</p>
<p>Oh look, the defenders of Berkeley have resorted to name calling again.
If you’re an adult, act like one. You’re immature. Seriously. You + UCBChem revert to name calling or character attacks whenever you feel threatened.
P.S. liar is spelled with an “a”, not an “e”. So, if you’re going to make insults, at least spell them correctly.</p>
<p>You act as though you’re all knowing, omniscient almost. You’re no expert. You have no qualifications besides the fact that you spend extraordinary amounts of time arguing X over Z. You have your own “rankings” as though yours are somehow better than all the other published ones. Step down off your high horse dear sir and come back to reality. And act like you’re an adult while you’re at it.</p>
<p>^^He also indicated that Michigan was ranked in the mid thirties by USNWR, while it is currently #29. I really question if anything he says is true…</p>
<p>I am not at all threatened. How and why am I be threatened? I am not even a Cal alumnus. </p>
<p>Sorry for the name calling, if I’m guilty of that. But really. Seriously. It gets quite frustrating that I have to repost a hundred times just so an allegedly, self-confessed, self-claimed Chinese (or Asian) MIT student can understand a single point.</p>
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And so are you. </p>
<p>I admit I’m no expert. But I think NO one here is (apart from most of the moderators and sakky.) However, my view hinges on the view and opinions of more than 2 thousand experts - university presidents, college deans, professors, top researchers, Nobel awardees, etc… Maybe one of them is no less than the president of the school you’re attending now. Maybe one of them is the dean of your very own college. Maybe some of them are the professors you dearly admire. And, that you miserably failed to understand.</p>
<p>You’re arguing, yes it’s frustrating. And yes it goes back and forth and neither side wants to concede to other - obviously. RML your attachment to Berkeley comes from your wife’s attendance, which means you’re arguing from an emotional standpoint, as is UCB’s. Basic psychology says neither of you will be persuaded, as arguing via logic vs. emotion doesn’t create any attitude change. I’m not saying you’re wrong nor am I saying you’re right. I’m saying you’ve reached an impasse and further argumentations is only going to get more heated. In terms of HYPSM, UM and UCB are excellent schools and hold great reputations. In quality of education, most all top schools are excellent in that department. In terms of similarity of HYPSM, maybe not. It depends on what parameters we’re setting for qualifications. I believe OP stated selectivity. UCB isn’t as selective as many other top schools, in which case it would not compare. Certainly you will agree with this. The OP is not asking what XZY school has similar teaching quality to HYPMS, as quite a few schools do. HYPSM is not alone in terms of teaching quality - only selectivity. These schools are held in such high accord because they are extremely difficult to get into and they employ excellent faculty and turn out excellent students. None of this is to say that other schools do not have similar qualities. In terms of similarity to HYPSM, I would argue only Columbia is closely similar as their selectivity matches that of HYPSM and they employ an equally excellent faculty to other top schools.</p>
<p>And again you’ve reverted to attacking -“you miserably fail to understand.” It’s not a lack of knowledge or understanding, it’s a lack of concession.</p>
<p>Whoa, ooookay. I think it would be prudent for some of you to take a step back from the computer and take a few, deep breath. Do some yoga, listen to some nature music … all right? Good. Great.</p>
<p>Someone criticizing your school (or a school you respect) is not a personal attack, and you shouldn’t take it as a personal attack - nor should you respond to it with ad hominem comments on other posters just because said posters disagree with you; it reflects far more poorly on you than on anyone else. Just try to remember you are not your school, and you are not the school you respect. You are also not your opinions. Try to compartmentalize here. Reread your comments before you post them, try to cut out some of the inflammatory language, and maybe this thread might actually get somewhere beyond the namecalling. :)</p>
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this isn’t about conceding. This isn’t about winning either. For me it was about letting him understand. Unfortunately, there is a glaring problem with the kid’s ability to understand. (His/her comprehension suffers that’s why I questioned his MIT affiliation.) It’s frustrating because I need to repost the facts several times before s/he understands them. After every post, s/he comes in and tell you, okay I got it now. Or, okay I applaud you… Then after a few days, s/he comes back raising the same issue again. It became a cycle. In short, the kid’s comprehension and memory is short span.</p>
<p>Then you should realize that there’s no persuading them and move on. As of now, you’ve locked yourself in a battle where no one will come out the winner. So instead of continuing to fight, there’s a point at which one gives up and moves on. You’re not here to try and win anything - that’s not the point of CC. The point is, at least I would opine, to mostly help those students who aren’t informed about college to educate them and proffer general opinions. Name calling isn’t productive. Nor is cyclical or circular arguing. If you disagree, say so and say why, then move on.</p>
<p>^ Thank you for your advice, NYU2013. In case you’re not aware, s/he did the name calling first. He did that in the other thread though. In short, I just gave him a dose of his own medicine. But you’re right. It’s useless to continue talking with him/her.</p>
<p>RML, I’m not the first person you’ve argued against about Berkeley. Plenty of people know exactly what they’re talking about when they say Berkeley isn’t as great as you make it be. Your vicious post history proves my point.</p>
<p>But of course maybe all those people are janitors. Hmm.</p>
<p>Yo guys, imma let you finish, but UCHICAGO is the WORST COLLEGE OF ALL TIME! :)</p>
<p>^ But then again, those “plenty” people who argued with me did not resort to name calling like you did, did they? And, let me remind you that my view is parallel with the view of the more than 2 thousand academicians, as well as, those of the top employers, including Google, Intel, Bank of America, Citigroup, McKinsey, and Goldman Sachs, which invited 46 people just last year alone (name me a school that has sent more than 46 grads to Goldman just last year alone. I doubt it if you can give me 10 schools.) </p>
<p>For the millionth times, I’ll ask you which view carries more weight between you (and those people I have argued with on CC) – and – those more than 2 thousand academic people (maybe including the president of MIT and those deans in that university)?</p>
<p>READ:</p>
<p>Students at universities of similar caliber and demographics seem to have likelihoods of suicide equivalent to those at MIT. Information released by Randolph was dated, describing suicide rates at Harvard University, Yale University, and the University of California at Berkeley… [MIT</a> Suicides Reflect National Trends - The Tech](<a href=“http://tech.mit.edu/V120/N6/comp6.6n.html]MIT”>http://tech.mit.edu/V120/N6/comp6.6n.html)</p>
<p>Now, if MIT - the university you claimed to have educated you - considers Berkeley of a similar caliber, what would that make you? Think.</p>
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Most of these UCB grads at Goldman must be working in middle and back office positions like IT/Treasury/Compliance/Operations/etc. There’s no other way this number would be so high. Even Harvard and Wharton don’t have that much representation at Goldman Sachs recently and all their graduates work in FRONT OFFICE positions like IBD/Securities/Research there.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/undergrad/reports/WHA_2009cp.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/undergrad/reports/WHA_2009cp.pdf</a></p>
<p>UCB is a target for bank offices in California but it is basically nonexistent on Wall Street.</p>