<p>savedbythebell7, I think those tiers need to be made separate for business and economics. Pomona, UCLA, UCSD do not have business programs but are excellent in economics. USC in terms of CA would have a first rate business school for undergrad but I wouldn't call their economics program stronger that the aforementioned schools.</p>
<p>I agree. I was originally going to do purely business but to appease everyone I just made a combination list. Assume in my ranking that the ones w/ business programs are ranked based on their B-Programs and the ones without in economics.</p>
<p>I agree with Mike. But I think it is ok to lump Business and Econ departments into the same tiers. I would consider an Econ degree from UCLA or Stanford as valuable as a BBA degree from Haas or Marshall. </p>
<p>Furthermore, Claremont McKenna and Pomona have excellent Econ departments and should be added to tier 1. Occidental and Santa Clara would probably be added to tier 2.</p>
<p>If that were the case (referring to Saved by the Bell 7), I agree with your rankings however, I would put UCSD in tier one for economics but it would be on the low end of tier 1 or very high end of tier 2. And CP SLO accounting program would sneak into tier 2 due to the fact that one BB IB actually recruits from its accounting program (The SF MD went there but also has a MBA from a top school.)</p>
<p>i think we need to also look at recruiting, something UCSD has severely lacked in the past for business careers. Pimco, brandis, Capital Group, Accenture are the most highly acclaimed on their current career fair schedule. Mckinsey has added the school on their website as a target, but i cant determine if that means presentation or presentation and interviews?</p>
<p>"On a sidenote- here is how my list looks in terms of TIERS (yes I realize some schools are better than other schools in certain tiers). FROM PURELY A BUSINESS/ECONOMICS STANDPOINT -
Tier 1:
UCB
Stanford
Caltech
UCLA
USC</p>
<p>Tier 2:
UCSD-UCSB-UCD"</p>
<p>^^^??? --UCSD's econ department is in the top ten nationally according to us news, which is higher than numerous schools you listed on the top tier 1. why would you list it with santa barbara and davis when they are not in the top 25 or even top 30 for econ i believe. sdsu is a good school and all, especially for business, but is deffiantly not the equivalent or going to be the equivalent of ucsb or cal poly slo. thats a bit ridiculous.</p>
<p>Overall Universities-</p>
<p>TIER 1
Stanford
Cal-Tech
UC Berkeley
Pomona</p>
<p>Tier 2:
UCLA
UCSD
USC
Claremont McKenna
Harvey Mudd</p>
<p>Tier 3:
UCI
UCSB
UC Davis</p>
<p>Tier 4:
Pepperdine
USD</p>
<p>LMU should not be ranked as a top california college.</p>
<p>Econ/Business Rankings-</p>
<p>Tier 1:
Stanford
Berkeley
Cal-Tech
UCLA
UCSD
Pomona
USC</p>
<p>Tier 2:
UCI
UCSB
UC Davis</p>
<p>Tier 3:
Pepperdine
USD
SDSU</p>
<p>LMU should not be ranked as a top econ/business school.</p>
<p>SDSU's international business program is ranked in the top 10 by US NEWS. Which is higher than many of the schools I listed on tier 1..what's your point? My tiers are et ceteris paribus just based on bus/econ...but... HAAS, MARSHALL etc. any of these names ring a bell? They can provide connections...UCSD Econ is not nearly as impressive of these historical name sakes. I almost went to UCSD and a direct response from a Wall Street exec was, "studying to be a marine biologist?" Anyways statistically next years freshmen class at SDSU will be comparable to a late 90's UCSB...give it 5 more years and SDSU will be right there. Might I add- SDSU has a much higher US NEWS ranking then Cal Poly SLO for undergrad business. So if you would care to play the US NEWS game, go ahead and put SDSU higher than cow town Davis, Engineering Poly and surfs up Santa Barbara.</p>
<p>hahaha sdsu..come on give me a break.. haha csulb then has equivalent stats as uc berkeley in the 80's hahah.... give me a break. sdsu really shouldnt even be in this discussion with these other universities. it doesnt belong. if you include sdsu, then other lower ranked universities like sdsu, including csulb and others belong on the list as well. i know you go there and im not trying to bag on it, but isnt it quite obvious it isnt in the same league of universities as the others. the exact post the individual stated was for "econ/business". ucsd is a top econ department nationally. obviously it is very good. i dont think this has anything to do with it reputation as a strong science-medical school. im happy you are standing up for sdsu, hell i was thinking about getting a masters in poli sci there a while ago. but if you think sdsu has the reputation to be in this list, as an overall university or in undergrad econ/business, that is a bit ridiculous. it doesnt belong anywhere near usc -marshall undergrad, uc berkeley haas undergrad, ucla business econ undergrad, ucsd econ undergrad. it simply cannot be compared. hell the quality of student as sdsu is much much much lower than at the other schools listed. this is well known by employers. if you dont know this then you are only fooling yourself. im not trying to take anything away from sdsu and their business department, it is quite good, but it doesnt belong on a list with these other highly ranked national universities.</p>
<p>"So if you would care to play the US NEWS game, go ahead and put SDSU higher than cow town Davis, Engineering Poly and surfs up Santa Barbara."</p>
<p>Bro you go to sdsu, you probably shouldnt be bagging on these other universities which are considered in california to be significantly harder to get into than your school. trust me, its not like sdsu doesnt have even more of a stereotype than those schools.</p>
<p>First, schools gain reputations from employers based on past success of hiring prior students and what the average prior student was like.</p>
<p>Second, reputations once they are set are hard to erase. Much like racism in America, it takes generations of Americans growing up to weed out the older generations. </p>
<p>So for SDSU, they haven't as difficult to get into until around 2002 when they started making half of SD residents go to CSU SM and upping their admission standards. Unfortunately, SDSU grads have always been viewed as the typical frat guy who will light farts in his cubicle or little princess who is constantly obsessed with her social calendar than actual work. Until those who have recently been admitted and graduate become the majority and start establishing a strong track record for many years, SDSU's reputation will remain as is.</p>
<p>Harvey Mudd should be tier one for overall (non-existent for economics/accounting).</p>
<p>sorry, bell, but SDSU just can't climb into the rarefied air of a full-time Uni since the state won't let them -- the state decided long ago that the UCs would conduct the research (and earn the prestige), while the Cal States would offer terminal degrees. (SD did receive approval to offer an Ed.D., but other its 'doctoral' degrees are awarded by collaborative colleges such as UCSD and Claremont.)</p>
<p>Yes, SDSU has a fine undergraduate biz program, but its not considered even close to the level of Hass or Marshall. But, more importantly,few top B-school even have undergrad programs. Within the UCs, only Cal and UCR offer an undergrad program, altho UCI will start one shortly, and UCSB offers an accounting certificate program. Finally, with UCSD starting a B-school last year, SDSU will easily lose out in the prestige game even in San Diego county.</p>
<p>fwiw: from the perspective of an employer (Fortune 100 companies and medium-sized businesses), a degree from SD is no more highly sought than one from LB, Fullerton or SLO.</p>
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<p>Agreed. Mudd gets no respect...</p>
<p>ucchris..did you miss something? I wasn't putting it on the same level as Marshall or HAAS....I don't think UCSD should be put in the same tier either (for bus/econ). </p>
<p>TIER 3</p>
<p>Cal Poly SLO
SDSU
LMU
USD
PEPPERDINE
UCR
UCI</p>
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ucchris..did you miss something? I wasn't putting it on the same level as Marshall or HAAS....I don't think UCSD should be put in the same tier either (for bus/econ).
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<p>For economics:</p>
<p>UCSD should be between tier 1 and tier 2. It is far stronger than UCD and UCSB but not as strong overall as those in tier 1 when it comes to prestige +job placement. Academically, it is up there but on the low end.</p>
<p>I don't get how Harvey Mudd can be considered tier 1 as an overall university; it focuses on science and engineering, I believe.</p>
<p>I agree. Harvey Mudd, as well as Claremont McKenna and UCLA, should be considered Tier 1 overall.</p>
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I don't get how Harvey Mudd can be considered tier 1 as an overall university; it focuses on science and engineering, I believe.
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<p>Then why does almost everyone consider Caltech a tier 1 overall "university"?? There is a double standard here.</p>