<p>But yeah, I have to jump on the bandwagon. I generally find extreme fat unattractive even more than bad facial looks, despite that.</p>
<p>I guess we're all just conditioned by society. A couple centuries ago, wasn't being "plump" considered to be attractive, since it often was a sign of wealth (being well fed)?</p>
<p>"To suffer or die from extreme or prolonged lack of food"</p>
<p>Well, dieters surely do not enjoy not eating enough and yes, it is for prolonged time. So dieting, i.e. suffering from prolonged lack of food, is indeed comparable to starving. Note that during both people lose weight. I mean it is same thing. Only with starvation it my continue even after you reach normal weight. Also do not forget that when dieting, you're probably not taking in enough vitamins. And it is questionable if supplements absorb and help your body out to deal with that. Some dieters do complain about losing their good skin tone and shine in hair and strength in their nails even when taking vitamins.</p>
<p>"I guess kihyle is going to have a sorry life if he/she doesnt feel the need to sacrafice in order to get what u want."
I don't know where in my posts you read me advocating that people should not make sacrifices. Please quote me the place where I said it. All I said was that I had sympathy for overweight people because they had to make extra sacrifices in their life relating to their weight while people with normal weight did not. You said you do not sympathize with them. And then I tried to persuade you that you should have sympathy. But I guess you're just not a sympathetic type of person or you haven't read and understood my posts the way I understand them.</p>
<p>i totally agree with you mo24</p>
<p>If people are not getting enough vitamins when dieting they are either doing a drastic diet that is not going to work long-term anyway or they are doing something wrong. </p>
<p>I do not have any sympathy for overweight people other than those that are overweight due to health conditions. Do you have sympathy for people that are not extremely intelligent and have to study a little extra to get good grades?</p>
<p>I feel sorry for people that get made fun of for being overweight (like the frat story someone said something about before) or just being slightly chubby. The other day I was looking through a friend's facebook album and one of his buddies was is a picture with a bunch of girls...and he made a comment that said, "What's with this picture? Am I a fat magnet or something?" and none of those girls were even close to fat! I wanted to smack the crap out of him for that one cause I know a lot of those girls probably saw that stupid comment and felt like crap. </p>
<p>The only people that deserve to get made fun of are overweight girls who go around in stretch jeans/mini skirts and tube tops that are at least a size too small for them. Now that's just asking for it. If you're going to wear those kinds of things, at least buy them in the right size!</p>
<p>"Do you have sympathy for people that are not extremely intelligent and have to study a little extra to get good grades?"</p>
<p>Yes i do. I have sympathy for any disadvantaged segments of our society. Cuz one day you might be one of them in one way or another, or your kids can be disadvantaged in some ways. Would you like people to make fun of you, judge you, and not give you jobs and salaries to you ability because you're disadvantaged in some way? I personally would not like it. So I try to treat others and I'd want them to treat me and the way to do that is to have sympathy for these people.</p>
<p>"If people are not getting enough vitamins when dieting they are either doing a drastic diet that is not going to work long-term anyway or they are doing something wrong."</p>
<p>You do not have to do a drastic diet. The minute you start eating less, doesn't matter how much less, you will also start consuming less vitamins and minerals. The effects are small but cumulative. Dieting, i.e. starvation, is in itself not a very healty activity. Afterwards you might be in a more healthy state, but not meanwhile.</p>
<p>Oh please. Fat people do not get that way by only healthy foods that give them enough vitamins and minerals and that's it, there are a lot of empty calories that are consumed too. You really only need a certain amount of vitamins etc, and fat people are obviously overcompensating
Exercising for an hour and eating the same amount of food you've been eating works too so it's not like eating less is the only way to lose weight
And why are you still calling dieting "starvation"? You think it's healthier to be overweight and continue to gain more and more weight, especially as you get older and it's harder to lose it?</p>
<p>You seem to sympathize with every person in the world. We are all disadvantaged in SOME way. You'd be better off saving your sympathy for people who actually deserve it, like those with incurable diseases</p>
<p>I think kihyle is taking the "dieting = starvation" argument too far. If you begin to eat fewer calories than your body is accustomed to, then your body will start to burn your excess fat for energy. Fat contains a ton of energy (which is why it takes so long to burn). You're not officially "starving" until your body begins to burn muscle.</p>
<p>Dude kihyle u are so messed up in the head u must have been brainwashed by fat people or something.</p>
<p>"Dieting, i.e. starvation, is in itself not a very healty activity."</p>
<p>You need to come out of ur dream world where u believe in everything that YOU made up.</p>
<p>""I guess kihyle is going to have a sorry life if he/she doesnt feel the need to sacrafice in order to get what u want."
I don't know where in my posts you read me advocating that people should not make sacrifices. Please quote me the place where I said it."</p>
<p>Well it seems like it cuz all u stand up for is people not dieting.</p>
<p>"You seem to sympathize with every person in the world. We are all disadvantaged in SOME way. You'd be better off saving your sympathy for people who actually deserve it, like those with incurable diseases"</p>
<p>what can i do? i'm a kind person and i like other people :-) many people deserve to be liked and sympathized with, not just the ones with incurable diseases</p>
<p>"Well it seems like it cuz all u stand up for is people not dieting."</p>
<p>I already explained to you why I started arguing with you. And it was not because I wanted for people to quit their diets. Go to the very beginning and read my posts over.</p>
<p>"You need to come out of ur dream world where u believe in everything that YOU made up."</p>
<p>Tripperian, I've already been through college where people hit the max of their weight issues because of stress. I have a lot more practical experience and made many observations concerning weight loss issues, while you are mainly stating your theories here.</p>
<p>"brainwashed by fat people or something"</p>
<p>Dude, that's funny. I'm just trying to present to you some other ways to think about it. Somebody has to defent fat people. You don't see anyone else doing it on this thread while many are quick to reject them. Like it is the sole opinion to hold.</p>
<p>"You're not officially "starving" until your body begins to burn muscle."</p>
<p>The dictionary definition of starvation very suits that of dieting. If you are not eating enough, it does not matter what you body breaks, it is still starvation. I can call it subtle slow starvation. You body will respond same whether or not you are dieting to lose weight or you're an overweight person lost somewhere in a forrest and starving with no food around. Besides, when you diet you also break down muscle. Along with vitamins and minerals for which you can take a supplement, I hope everyone remembers from the bio classes that there are essential amino acids you body cannot get anywhere else but food. If you eat less, you are also underconsuming these amino acids each day. I know it is hard to believe because the media out there always tells us how dieting is good and something that millions of americans need to do, but the process itself is not very pleasant, neither healthy. When you lose all that you wanted to lose and start eating normally that's when you enjoy any health benefits. [special note to tripperian: note how i did not tell anyone to quit dieting]</p>
<p>special note to kihyle: you are the only preson I have ever heard of saying dieting is not good for u</p>
<p>kihyle, you aren't making any sense. Have you taken even a high school health or biology course? Come on.</p>
<p>be specific</p>
<p>An unfortunate side effect of dieting is that highly effecient biomass is usually broken down first when the body feels it needs more, this mostly means muscles go first before fat. That is why dieting is always more successful with exercise to keep the muscle.</p>
<p>Dieting and starvation are not one and the same (the less extreme diets anyway). Starvation is usually not voluntary, a severe and fundamental lack of necessary nutrients, vitamins, what have you. Dieitng is a voluntary reduced intake. People who diet may feel like they are "starving" but they won't die from being on the diet for a prolonged period of time, at least not a sane diet. </p>
<p>Bah, that was offtopic. But in any case, beauty and intelligence don't have any real significant positive or negative correlation. Certain issues of self-esteem seem related but not intelligence.</p>
<p>your diet is just what you consume. you can change your diet to obtain certain goals such as fat loss or muscle gain, but the word "diet" does not mean "to lose weight" and should never be used as a verb ("dieting").</p>
<p>From Merriam-Webster:</p>
<p>Main Entry: 2diet
Function: verb
transitive verb
1 : to cause to take food : FEED
2 : to cause to eat and drink sparingly or according to prescribed rules</p>
<p>Oook so for all you "fat-defenders" out there (namely people like kihyle):</p>
<p>First things first: since this thread IS about what guys find attractive, the things said here ARE preferences and opinions; meaning it's what's people think, not what is CORRECT. Huge difference there.</p>
<p>Yes, I would agree that for some people being fat is genetic, but honestly as a general rule how many genetically fat people do you know? It isn't the norm so bringing up this small percentage to cover for the whole generalization of "fat people" is pretty unfair. Then we have the fact that I believe over half of America is overweight(maybe obese? not sure).</p>
<p>Since the OP asked what guys in college like most, the answer truthfully would be thin in this aspect (height, tan or not tan, hair etc, varies too much, I'm just addressing this weight issue). At first glance, would you take a girl who is toned and has an athletic figure or someone who is visibly 40 lbs overweight? Most, not all, people would say the toned girl. You can blame it on societal pressures and ideals, but it really is hard to argue that being overweight is better than being toned with a low body fat percentage without sounding absurb. As someone pointed out, a while ago, chubbier people were more sought after due to societal conditions of that time. It's not that thinner people were ugly, it's just because at that time being fat meant you were well-fed, implying you had money. That was considered desirable in a time where finding your next meal was hard. Today, where there seems to be a considerable amount of people who are overweight, being toned and "thin" is more highly valued. This usualy means the person watches what she eats and/or exercises a lot, both of which would be healthy. Again, it isn't about what is healthy, because I know you can be over this "ideal" BMI and still be perfectly healthy. I dont think that there's anything wrong with saying that someone prefers fit people over fat people. It's the same as saying someone prefers blondes to brunettes. Brunettes aren't suddenly horrible people, it's just personal preference combined with societal values.</p>
<p>And kihyle, there ARE many connotations of lazy... as in physically lazy vs lazy overall. Someone can be a genius at a desk but if he doesn't move from that table and he gets fat, I would consider that physically lazy, even if he is brilliant at his job. To tie this in also to the "smart/dumb" analogy, those with learning disabilities would be like the overweight people that are fat due to genetics. Do you feel sorry for someone who doesn't have the natural ability to pick things up the first time they read it and yet still doesn't make the effort to read it twice? Both are achievable for the majority of people, though some may need more effort than others in certain areas. Furthermore, on face would you take someone is a slow learner, high school graduate or someone who picks things up the first time and a grad school student (disregarding other qualifications like work habit)? This analogy transfer over to the weight issue: would you take someone who is overweight or someone who is fit and toned on face (disregarding other qualifications like personality)? Again, personality can totally outweigh (haha pun) any physical features, but since those vary so much, I dont think we should factor them into this discussion.</p>
<p>The dieting thing... you can just CHANGE the food you're taking in too, rather than eating significantly less. For example, a salad instead of supersized fries. Water instead of a large soda. Honestly a lot of fat America is eating food that is excessive in fat and calories. Cutting back on that would NOT hurt their physical being, but they might intially think it's cutting into their enjoyment. Later on, they realize that eating healthy and not carrying around the extra 20 lbs feels better than any food. Furthermore, fat is a storage of energy dude, meaning biologically burning fat doesn't hurt your body at all. It was meant to be stored until it is used. Fat people just have too much stored heh. So if you're eating less per meal now, just think of it as supplementing the difference with the meals stored up around their waist.</p>
<p>Personally, to answer the OP, I like asian chicks with long hair and about 5'2" who are really active and just cute in general. Specifically, American-Japanese girls are really cute to me haha</p>
<p>shadownife..sweet post. lol</p>
<p>Oh lordy this is like having my brother populate this post... HAHA</p>
<p>SHADOWNLIFE- Hey i'm 5'2 n Asian kahahaha</p>
<p>Anyways the fat discussion- I think to up 200 lbs (for girls who are around 5' something ish) is ok but i mean if you are 300 lbs or something, that's just losing control.... Alot of that fat can be also very easily reduced by just changing your diet. It gets difficult when it's more like 130 trying to go 115 because than you REALLY need to cut down. ***</p>
<p>kihyle, I understand your point about the starving factor, but you worded in a very bad way I think. The word starving has a negative conotaion you could have avoided. But you are right in that you need to eat less. If someone manages to simply eat 500 calories less a day they can loose a pound a week. If they can also burn while exersing a 500 calories a week they can loose another pound. I think it is 3500 calories to a pound. While eating 500 calories less may sound simple, it is not. All it tiakes is say one coke and you have about 150 more calories. Add a couple chips in there and you got your 500 you ment not to eat. </p>
<p>Point being you are right, you need to cut back on your calorie comsumption. Just make sure you loose the weight slowly, it is healthier for you that way. Also add some exercise to keep your metabolism up. If you consume less calories you metabolism may slow down to compesate.</p>
<p>As for what I find attrative light brown, blond. Looks like they run a lot is always a huge plus.</p>
<p>Some of you people are unbelievable. Sure, we should all try to exercise and eat healthy, but we should also treat people with basic human decency and respect. Even if you can blame someone's weight entirely on bad lifestyle choices (which is often not the case)...are you so perfect? Do you have no flaws at all? Are all your lifestyle choices optimally healthy? And if the answer to any of these is "no" what makes you think you're entitled to go around feeling like such a superior human being because you're not fat?</p>
<p>Yes, I know the thread was originally about what college boys like most, but it seems to have diverged from that. I'm replying to the people who seem to think it's okay to be mean to fat kids or discriminate against fat job-seekers.</p>