<p>Ycang-work transfers have a separate category called the L1 (or something). Those are much easier to get than H1Bs.</p>
<p>You need a job first before you can get a work permit...not the other way around...ycang you are from singapore though which is very developed-so i hve been told- i dont want to sound rude but why not try and work there? You probably have better opportunities there...and you could transfer to the US later if its possible- yeah I think it is called a L1...too tired to check it up. Reality hurts but it would have been worse if you shelled that much money without knowing the truth...you would have felt more frustrated...the work permit stuff is even better if you are working in a major american company...far easier and american companies love to recruit students from universities in america and the Uk more than say NUS in your case...so it is not totally a lose lose situation</p>
<p>Oh so you mean that being in an MNC or large company gives us an advantage in obtaining the permit?</p>
<p>Yea Singapore is highly developed and affluent but I don't feel the same way about it as I do with other countries at the moment.. It just seems too dull and I feel there should be more to life than confining oneself to a tiny island. I guess we all need a little change sometimes</p>
<p>futurenyustudent - Look I just laid out the hard cold facts. Call them hypocritical all you want, I don't take offense to that since I'm an international student, but accusing them won't change anything, and protectionism is right, even if it's hypocrisy. It isn't fair, but life in general isn't fair. My friend had a hard time finding a job in the U.S and the E.U. as an graduate engineer student, Canada I don't know, but the fact is a government will back a citizen/resident, and will make laws that will make it hard for companies to hire foreigners without considering a citizen/resident who are qualified. Note, over-qualification won't get you the job, as long as the citizen/resident is qualified your over-qualification normally won't give you an edge, foreigners normally get the job because no other American is qualified for this position. After all, some companies do reject employees based on over-qualification. This isn't something that popped out of my head, I've talked to people and friends who has gone through these experiences.</p>
<p>I know it may seem harsh, but better you understand the realities of employment, rather than having this delusion of beating the odds. I'm just wondering why international students are sweating over getting a job in America, there are many other countries with a less stricter immigration policy, with great cities. Some mentioned Canada, I can think of Auckland, New Zealand. I'm pretty sure you can find some on your own with a bit of research. Unless you're from a third world country, I don't see why working back at your home country is worse, after all you have your own government to take care of you. The big 'American Dream' isn't what it's thought out to be, especially in this economic state. Even Americans with graduate degrees have a hard time finding a job these days. Haven't you heard about the woman who used to make a six figure salary going unemployed for 7 months until she found a minimum wage job? Or the MIT guy who got laid off? I read this on the CNN web page, and yea it really is that bad.</p>
<p>Well bumblebee-if you knew what it was like in South Korea (or insert other third world country pretending to be a developed country), you have no chance whatsoever of making anything near a living wage at that hellhole. It might as well be a third world country, because most of the population is living in third world conditions. The starting salary of someone working at many corporations is about the equivalent of $12,000. In the second most expensive city in the world. And even then, 99% of the college grad population ends up waiting tables or delivering pizza, and even the 1% that do can't afford to live on their own, so they have to move in with their parents. No thanks (and I'm sure things are similar in Singapore, although less so in HK). There isn't enough money in the world that can get me to consider going anywhere near that hellhole. I have no interest in living in poverty for the rest of my life.</p>
<p>You know for fact the country's a ****hole when the best option you have is academia. I'm convinced the best option for South Korea is to become the 52nd state of the US.</p>
<p>I agree 100% with the bumblebee guy</p>
<p>wow didn't know that about south korea. I wouldnt call it a hellhole...coming from a proud citizen of a third world country</p>
<p>Also there is the question of getting a job in New Zealand...like a good job...I think ones home country is the best...you have better opportunities to rise in management and all that stuff</p>
<p>ycang - I know how you feel, that's how I feel about HK sometimes. It feels too dull, having grown up there most my life, I can't picture living there for any longer, usually I need a bit of change. But I've come to accept not everyone gets what they want, and I'm sure a million others are in same position, trying to chase that "American Dream." In the end I just don't think it's worth the sacrifice, having been here myself. I mean I love the place, I love California (The college I'm attending is based here), but I don't think I'll be devastated leaving this place. I'm sure if I grew up here I'd be wanting to leave, the same way I felt about wanting to leave Hong Kong before college. I sometimes forget how great a city HK is, when ever I'm in some foreign country. </p>
<p>Singapore is a great place, I think it's easier to try apply for work visa after you've had some work experience in Singapore, establish something companies can work with rather than a fresh university degree, which a several thousands of others will have waving at their potential employers. Though I can't tell you much about this, since I'm a student myself. But you've done the right thing by coming here and finding as much information as you can before making a rash decision, which most international students do without thinking about the consequences.</p>
<p>futurenyustudent do you happen to be South Korean? I've been there three times and it didn't seem that bad! Looks like you have to live there to fully experience stuff like that</p>
<p>ycang-yeah I am. I would also say further that South Korean politicians are the most arrogant, corrupt and inept bunch that I have ever had the displeasure of sharing a genus and species with. Yes, even more inept than US airport security. They have their heads so far up their asses they can't see what's going on right in front of their faces (what kind of nation with a strong IT industry has never heard of wireless internet? :rolleyes:). "Ooh, our GDP is 14th in the world!" Yeah, well your 20somethings are getting paid below poverty level and anyone who can is getting on the first plane out of Incheon Airport and never looking back. Population growth is negative despite immigration from places such as Pakistan. Economy's been in a death spiral since the IMF crisis. Anyone with the means to emigrate is doing so. South Korea has no future in the international marketplace.</p>
<p>Thankfully my mom saw this and we emigrated 10 years ago. My mom says she might go back, but my sister and I are here for good.</p>
<p>sefago - Where you from? Just out of curiosity.</p>
<p>futurenyustudent - I think I can somewhat relate, I'm Korean myself, but a resident of Hong Kong, I didn't even think about S.Korea cause I don't speak the language fluently at all, and I'd prefer I got a job where English is primarily used, which they have quite a bit in HK. I actually lol'd when you mentioned that Korea should become the 52nd state, and I agree :P but I didn't think S. Korea was that bad. I don't know why my dad keeps convincing me to learn Korean and go work over there. If what you say is true, my options are extremely limited now :(</p>
<p>lol obviously not Asian. From the "dark continent" as Conrad refers to us...my country is easy to tell...we produce a lot of oil, we are known for sending people random scam messages, we redefined corruption, if you think south korea is slightly correct haha then u havnt seen anything ...yeah you've got it....Dont want to put my country of origin...though but u could find it by looking at my last 10 posts</p>
<p>How did your mom manage to migrate to the US? Was it on a work visa?</p>
<p>Bumblebee-I have a lot more choice words to say about Korea, but I won't right now because I have homework to do. But yeah, my friend that lives there (he's planning on going to uni in Japan) told me that there are grads from SNU law school that are unemployed. I guess that would be the equivalent of Harvard Law grads walking around NYC or Boston with no job. </p>
<p>When my mom and I got on the plane to the US my dad said he's planning for me to live in the US/Canada/whatever for good. I agree. I'll go live in Dubai (and I HATE hot places) before I go back there.</p>
<p>ycang-F1 (student)=>H1B (work)=>now greencard in processing. Of course, if my aunt had stayed in the US when she worked for the UN in New York 20 years ago, we'd all be US citizens by now.</p>
<p>Hmm F1 means that your mom was a student when you guys went over?</p>
<p>I thought anyone who graduated from Korea's big three unis (SNU, KU and Yonsei) were pretty much set for life there.. The situation sounds really bad</p>
<p>Yup.</p>
<p>You're set as long as your dad's the chairman of a major corporation or your dad has a company (or lots of money) you can inherit (and most of these kids go to school outside of Korea and even some of them emigrate!). Otherwise, you're ****ed. It's so bad, there are consultancies in Korea specifically dedicated to helping students/families emigrate. They've made it a huge industry. Probably bigger than cellphones.</p>
<p>Luxembourg has remote controlled cars. France has aerospace (Airbus), tourism, and food/wine. Amsterdam's got a huge tourism industry. Singapore's one of the major financial centers in Asia. Australia has tourism and natural resources. New Zealand has sheep, natural resources, and trade (to an extent). Korea's got cellphones and that's about it.</p>
<p>I plan to go to an LAC and major in Econ and Math....will the college help me to get a job in Canada or somewhere outside USA...coz in India(my home country) a degree from an LAC is not that well recognised...and staying here would mean I wont be able to do what I want to :-(</p>
<p>Hi bigcheese I doubt the college will really help you to find work, if that's what you mean. If you were referring to 'help' in terms of the value/recognition of your degree, I guess it hinges on which LAC you are going to.</p>
<p>So this all boils down to one thing for internationals-only go to USA if you are sure that a job will be waiting for you after 4 years....because I don't see any point in shelling out $200000 for 4 years and then being cast out to sea</p>