<p>I am sure you would find something...be optimistic...what skul did you get into the UK? At least you are aware of this b4 you came...most aren't...lol, just get back at them if you become the prime minster of your country...</p>
<p>I have a friend who got a job at a financial advisory firm...but he hasnt gotten his visa yet...well i would tell you all about it when he does also I know a girl who got recruited at well fargo, i think</p>
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<p>Canada does. Almost anyone with proficiency in English and French with an undergrad degree can get a work visa. And they certainly don't drag their feet for 20 years for permanent residency while hassling you for every little thing in the meanwhile.</p>
<p>And it's only a matter of time in New Zealand. Their unemployment rate is at 3.9%, even in a recession.</p>
<p>Well I wouldn't mind going to Canada to work either! Its not half bad :) I love Montreal and was seriously considering McGill.</p>
<p>Ummm for UK I got into Manchester, and still awaiting replies from LSE and Edinburgh</p>
<p>Seafago, telling someone who is about to shell out $200K to be optimistic is probably not good advice. The truth is he would be one of a very few exceptions if he were able to stay. And no, the USC alumni network is not going to help Employers hands are tied and given that we are in for a long recession, it will only get worse. If your friends get those tenuous jobs, please come back and explain how, because that's just shocking while WF is laying off thousands.</p>
<p>Futurenyustudent gives good advice, Canada is the place most can stay. I sent the two PhD econ students I wanted to hire to a friend in Canada who had no problem hiring them. However, salaries are lower and it's a smaller pond.</p>
<p>Yeah, if you don't mind the cold, Canada's a lovely country :). Nice people, national healthcare, and Toronto's cost of living is 1/4 of that of New York City (and therefore I wouldn't mind taking a 35% pay cut for it, actually more like 50% adjusted for exchange rates). I'm considering going to law school there (Toronto). CA$80k+cost of living+Air Canada airfare vs. US$200k+cost of living in the US. I considered McGill too but my french is nowhere near good enough to pursue studies in it, so I'm stuck with the anglophone schools.</p>
<p>Yea mine isn't either, I only picked up a little from my lessons, but I figured that's why I wanna got there and hang around with all the francophones cause I really wanna learn French.</p>
<p>Is Canada that much cheaper than the US? I don't think lower salaries are that bad, considering I may not even get employed in America. hmom5 does paint a much much gloomier picture than what I've heard from most other people!</p>
<p>I don't know about anywhere else, but yeah, Toronto is a lot cheaper, especially for housing. Housing's likely your biggest expense so even with GST/PST I think you'd come out ahead on cost of living. And if you really wanted to avoid GST/PST then you can always do a yearly shopping run in Hong Kong or New York or something.</p>
<p>Canada is not a lot cheaper. Taxes are quite a bit higher than in the US and they have VAT and brutal sin taxes. While homes are a bit cheaper, there is no tax deduction for mortgages making comparable homes probably more expensive. The only bargain is health care.</p>
<p>For my money I'd head to Vancouver, a very beautiful and fairly cosmopolitan city.</p>
<p>hmom we know how extremely knowledgeable you are but the fact remains no matter how hard it is...people get working visas...have you ever wondered why a ****load of people at top universities have accents...universities are exempt from the visa quota yes you dont have to be a professor...you could be a budget officer for the university and you could apply for a work visa...like people make it sound like no one migrates to the US...ppl do but the truth is its very hard...one can be optimistic...optimistic in that you try...failure comes with trying and then when all fails you can't be like i tried...gambling 200,000 dollars is a lot of money especially in a country like singapore where most peopel attend top schools and a school like USC is average- sorry ycang- now if you were from a third world country any us degree would do in getting a job iun your country.</p>
<p>ycang if you get into LSE or edinburgh...**** American schools...USC is not even close. Mcgill and toronto are also good options</p>
<p>What kind of reputations do Manchester, Edinburgh and LSE have in the states? I think salaries are just higher on the whole in America, that's why I am still considering USC. On businessweek, Marshall grads are said to earn $58,000 on average (or median perhaps?) for their starting salaries! That's way more than what I can get here in SG.</p>
<p>Sefago,may I also ask where you're studying, and what you're studying?</p>
<p>I don't know about the situation at universities, but the fact is that it's incredibly hard to get to work in private industry and too many kids come not understanding this. It's pretty devastating to those who only find out after they have taken large loans.</p>
<p>I've personally seen it so many times I'm greatly concerned for these young people. Who doesn't want the American dream? It's so easy to think you'll beat the odds and deal with it later.</p>
<p>hmom-Toronto's income taxes are actually lower than New York City's taxes. Marginal taxes at $100k are in the 37% range in Ontario and 44% range in New York. And plus I don't smoke or drink so let's ignore sin taxes. At $500k, 42% in Ontario vs. 48% in New York. At $250k, 41% in Ontario vs. 46% in New York. And even if things are expensive in Toronto, they can't be more expensive than New York.</p>
<p>A bit cheaper? Sorry hmom, you're wrong there. A 4 bedroom, 2500 square foot condo in downtown Toronto costs CA$850k. If you plopped the same condo in Manhattan, it would cost you upwards of $3.25 million. Mortgage interest deduction is on interest only and it's a reduction of your tax bill by interest paid*effective tax rate. I would the $2.5 million in savings blows savings from whatever mortgage interest deduction out of the water.</p>
<p>I'm sure we could go round and round with this cost of living comparison thing but I have homework to do so I'll either do it later or give it a rest.</p>
<p>And you also get healthcare thrown in so you come out ahead tax-wise.</p>
<p>What did Canadian taxes go down. The chart I have is 3 years old but shows an effective tax rate of 53% for incomes over $120K. Pretty sure we're still using this chart to adjust incomes. Now if they'd just add a mortgage deduction I'd move to Vancouver in a flash even though wine is literally twice as expensive and good Scotch more than double!</p>
<p>Most international students come here assuming they can work after graduation here in the U.S. I don't know why they think that, considering their visa allows them to study in the U.S on the condition they go back to their home country. With millions of Americans unemployed, why would the government hire an international who isn't even a citizen of USA?</p>
<p>It may seem unfair, but think about the unemployed citizens who witness foreigners take jobs that could be filled by an American citizen, it seems unfair to them if you ask me. The chances of an American not qualified to do the job you're after is almost slim to none, there has to be some American out there that can do it. The fact that they let residents apply for jobs as well seems a bit too kind. As a foreigner myself, I understand why the government does this. This isn't racist one bit, but as one poster said, it's protectionist, the government are in the interest of helping their people first above anyone else, and that's just common sense. All countries do it, it's pretty hard for you to get a job in the E.U. if you're not a citizen or resident, this does not simply apply ONLY to the U.S.</p>
<p>So don't take it personally, it's simple immigration law, if it was that easy to get jobs in the U.S, everyone would be doing it. So don't sulk over this and start thinking about a backup plan, reconsider your plan if you assumed you were going to get a job here upon graduation. I'm a junior planning on transferring, it wasn't till my sophomore year I found out about all this. Now I have a clear idea on what I might do upon graduation. I've been looking at interning back in my home country, or country of permanent residency (Hong Kong). I suggest you do the same (to those considering studying here in the U.S). Not saying you shouldn't try to find a job here, try by all means, but don't expect it to come to you on a silver platter. In fact, I've had friends here and not ONE managed to find a job upon graduating, even from grad school and these were during the days where the economy was at it's peak. Sad, but I've come to terms of reality.</p>
<p>Well, I go to gtown and i know some international students get jobs...I also know they have problems getting visas too...I have talked with immigration attorneys and they have said pretty much what everyone has said...chances are slim but are possible. Also some ppl have come advantages..grad students, people from certain countries...china and india not rily...I am not disputing what is being said here infact most ppl have been a bit mild. Imagine trying to convince a company to pay the legal and filing fees to apply for a H1-B, they would prefer to just simply hire an american...I would too if I was an employer. So I would say the chances are very low but it is possible. The question isn't are you going to get a job in the US, it is how are you going to maximize what you have in the most effective way. Don't think about high salaries, think first of getting a job...you need a job before salaries. I cant tell u my major because i dont want to be identified...but if u are interested i could send u a message. BumbleBee is correct also it is likely you wouldn't find a job immediately after graduation</p>
<p>ycang the only school that is know is LSE and that is if you are applying to investment banks and such...you are better off working in the UK...the economy is in such turmoil getting a job would be extremely difficult from a university that isnt in the UK. You could work for a British company and then try and move to the US, that is easier but you wouldnt be staying in the US indefinitely</p>
<p>also i would postulate canada and other countries would become significantly harder as the recession worsens...yes it is going to get worse...that stimulus package is going to cause some inflation</p>
<p>That IS sad. I guess many students (myself included) always thought of America as a land of endless opportunity that draws millions of immigrants that we didn't give enough thought to such seemingly trivial matters. However if what's been said on these thread is true, then many students are in for a nasty surprise..</p>
<p>In your opinion, is the main problem the govt (and its visa/work permit policies) or the employers (who might not want to hire foreigners)? If I do get a work permit, I'd feel pretty confident of my chances of getting a job actually.. So that's my biggest hurdle</p>
<p>Bumblebee-I bet you everything I own that the US would be throwing a hissy fit at the WTO if other first world countries stopped letting US citizens find employment easily in their countries or pulled the same protectionist crap they do in the US. So don't you dare cite protectionism. We're not stupid. The US has the most hypocritical immigration policy I know.</p>
<p>I'd say the main problem is politicians that have no idea what they're doing. I don't think employers care who they employ, they just want to employ the best candidates. And if they happen to be born somewhere else, so be it.</p>
<p>Semago, if I do choose to go to the UK for studies and transfer to a office in the US afterward, how does the work permit thing pan out? I assume I'd be subjected to the same treatment as the international students who studied in America, in that I would have to fight for a work permit as well? Or will the company I work for in the UK handle all this and as such make it easier for me to get across the Atlantic?</p>
<p>I understand the part about Chinese and Indians having a problem getting work as there are just so many of them everywhere and its real competitive.. Hope that my nationality will be to my advantage tho</p>