What do u like and hate about Columbia?

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<p>tgrant, my daughter is a student at Columbia U (Barnard) and we are from Georgia. She has had absolutely NO difficulty with living there...loves it, in fact. When her brothers have visited her, though, they say that they would not want to live there.You need to visit and decide for yourself what is important to you in your college experience.</p>

<p>Also, you need to know that being a member of an athletic team at Columbia is nothing like being on a team at most schools around here (UGA comes to mind, for example). Only recently did Columbia decide to let members of athletic teams pick their classes before others do and that was a pretty big deal. Unlike around here where athletes are given certain, umm, considerations (preferential dorms, special meal plans, tutoring, etc), at Columbia it's pretty tough. I know personally of one young man who began at CC on the track team and dropped it his second year because it was just too time-consuming and he could not make the grades he wanted to.</p>

<p>On the other hand, my d has other friends on crew there who have stayed with it (I think). Visit for yourself and consider all the factors you can. Probably others here will be able to tell you much more than I can.</p>

<p>You might want to start a new thread and ask more specific questions about other people's experiences on athletic teams at Columbia. I think that is a more important consideration for you than just being from the south!</p>

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<p>Love: My peers, the faculty, the city.</p>

<p>Hate: The mindless bureaucracy, tepid school spirit.</p>

<p>The former outweighs the latter.</p>

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my daughter is a student at Columbia U (Barnard)

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<p>I love how the biggest Barnard trolls on this board relegate Barnard to a parenthetical.</p>

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<p>Good grief, co2002! I did that because the poster to which I was responding is a high school kid from Georgia who may or may not be familiar with the fact that a Barnard student is also a member of the Columbia University community. My perspective in this situation is of interest because I live in Georgia and, of course, have a kid who has gone through the transition and I also know a student at CC who was on the track team.</p>

<p>And how am I a Barnard "troll"? I only post when trying to be helpful (campus life issues and such or when issues come up about Barnard) and have never tried to denegrate you. I have, in fact, been pretty supportive of many of your contributions.</p>

<p>What in the world is your deal??</p>

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<p>I'd like to add the above exchange to things I hate about Columbia.</p>

<p>The sniping never ends. >.<</p>

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I did that because the poster to which I was responding is a high school kid from Georgia who may or may not be familiar with the fact that a Barnard student is also a member of the Columbia University community.

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<p>How about:</p>

<p>my daughter is a student at Barnard College (an women's LAC that is right across the street from Columbia U and is affiliated with Columbia U)</p>

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<p>I hate 1:30 AM fire drills in John Jay, and everyone who moved back in today and didn't have to experience it.</p>

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<p>+5 points for churchmusicmom. solid advice for tgrant.</p>

<p>My own perspective on his question is, at our age we can adjust to anything. It was a little awkward falling asleep in a building where cars were going by on the street below all night, but it becomes so routine you don't even notice it after a while. You get used to being able to go anywhere very quickly on the subway, to being able to get food (or anything you want, really) at any time of night. All your friends will be very tightly scheduled, but that's the case at any top school where everyone's very busy and motivated.</p>

<p>The real adjustment will be country life to city life, if that's where you're coming from. Not having a lot of personal space for your things, not having trees and woods and fields everywhere. Lots of people everywhere. Crowded subways. Not needing to drive everywhere. People being demanding and/or rude. Things won't smell as fresh, but again, you'll get used to it. All of it in totality can really stress people out, but Columbia is a good transition - you'll have the relative peace and serenity of campus, and an atmosphere of people who are like you, to keep you grounded.</p>

<p>I wont' sit here and tell you everyone falls in love with it. But plenty do.</p>

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<p>Thanks, Denz. And a very good job in describing the sensations one feels when transitioning from a relatively rural existence to life in the big city!</p>

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<p>you sound pretty ignorant. the average barnard girl entering barnard college has a (much) higher gpa than columbia college's entering students. fact. </p>

<p>barnard is not a backdoor..its the best womens college in the world.</p>

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you sound pretty ignorant. the average barnard girl entering barnard college has a (much) higher gpa than columbia college's entering students. fact.

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<p>1) you sound like a defensive barnard student.</p>

<p>2) source???<br>
here's what collegeboard says about barnard's high school grade distribution:College</a> Search - Barnard College - At a Glance</p>

<p>they don't have a similar for columbia (if you search it make sure you dont get the one in MO) and i can't find those stats on Columbia</a> University in the City of New York</p>

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<p>sorry, edit:</p>

<p>here's the columbia breakdown: Columbia</a> University Office of Undergraduate Admissions - Admission Statistics</p>

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Of schools that provided us with a class rank, approximately 92% of accepted students were in the top 10% of their graduating class; 98% were in the top 20% of their class. 62% of admitted students attended high schools that do not rank.

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<p>so that's 75% in the top 10% vs 92% in top 10%.....yep, sounds like you know your "facts"</p>

<p>i'm sure you're going to take issue with the last sentence but let's be honest...the schools that dont rank kids tend to be the TOP END of institutions (both public and private). i'm 100% sure there are more of these grads at columbia than barnard (not to say i dont know a few exeter/etc grads at barnard, i just know there are more at columbia)</p>

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<p>I come from an essential school that does not rank. :]</p>

<p>1.) Collegeboard's statistics are outdated. This year, Barnard only accepted 22% of its applications (RD and ED averaged). The Dean of admissions informed all accepted Barnard students at the open house of this fact. </p>

<p>2.)
Barnard - "3.9" PRINCETON REVIEW
Barnard</a> College</p>

<p>Columbia - "3.4" PRINCETON REVIEW. Columbia</a> University
"3.7" Columbia</a> University - Columbia College - MSN Encarta</p>

<p>and yes, I am a defensive barnard student. i'm sick of online columbians' condescending attitude towards our academic institution. in all honesty, i wish we could break our ties with columbia because this relationship has left us in an undeserved identity crisis. if columbia didn't benefit so much from the barnard-columbia relationship, then why wouldn't they just break the relationship? that's the point. they do benefit. </p>

<p>this is a ridiculous argument - columbian women are in no way more "intelligent" nor "better than" barnard women. </p>

<p>and as for the other response - this is the first year that the cross registration has reached an equilibrium. prior to this year, barnard students took about 7000 classes at columbia and columbia students took 6600 at barnard. The new statistic has not been added to the internet. as soon as it is, i'll be sure to let you know :]
About</a> Barnard College</p>

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<p>and by the way, if you're going to pull the "defensive barnard student" accusation, then i have every right to pull the "insecure columbian" accusation.</p>

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<p>Kate, try and keep your arguments clear.</p>

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you sound pretty ignorant. the average barnard girl entering barnard college has a (much) higher gpa than columbia college's entering students. fact.

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<p>notice what i bolded there? go back and read the numbers that you just posted...they are all undergrad gpa's, not entering student gpa's. all your numbers show is that barnard seems to be an easier academic institution than columbia is.</p>

<p>As for your cross registration stuff, I'd like to see how they actually calculate that. I know there are a few departments that are fairly highly intertwined between the 2 schools but I don't really think that should count into either number since you'd, realistically, have to delve into what teachers are on what payroll and how many students cross register into those classes that aren't required classes. Also, if you want to get into the nitty-gritty of this, you'd have to discount all of the departments that are offered only by one institution or the other (ie architecture and dance or any) or at least only count people that have simply taken a class (in, say, dance) for the heck of it and are not majoring/minoring...if you don't make this distinction you're not really making any distinction between people having to cross register and the people who want to cross register. I'm pretty sure the discussion in the other post was about socializing so you should be able to see the importance of differentiating between the two.</p>

<p>Also, i just wrote all of that without realizing that your post in the other thread said

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an equal amount of students take classes at barnard coming from columbia as they do at columbia coming from barnard. fact.

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<p>which you just proved wrong with the numbers you gave..</p>

<p>so thanks for playing! come back again</p>

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and by the way, if you're going to pull the "defensive barnard student" accusation, then i have every right to pull the "insecure columbian" accusation.

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<p>Your're more than welcome to but i'm not the one going to the barnard board and posting 'facts' that i go and prove myself wrong on or find irrelevant data to support.</p>

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<p>kate you're off on these, here's why:</p>

<p>"prior to this year, barnard students took about 7000 classes at columbia and columbia students took 6600 at barnard"</p>

<p>except columbia has 2.5 times the number of students so barnard women cross register 2.5 times as much as columbia students cross register.</p>

<p>"This year, Barnard only accepted 22% of its applications (RD and ED averaged)."</p>

<p>barnard does not have an engineering school, so a fair comparison would be to CC, which had an acceptance rate of 8.7% - not that acceptance rate matters a huge deal in and of itself.</p>

<p>"Barnard - "3.9" PRINCETON REVIEW
Barnard College
Columbia - "3.4" PRINCETON REVIEW. Columbia University"</p>

<p>way to go, you just compared the columbia business school's average ugrad gpa to barnard college's average high school gpa.'</p>

<p>""3.7" Columbia University - Columbia College - MSN Encarta"</p>

<p>first of all 3.78 vs. 3.91 isn't a whole lot different, but more importantly there is no context for this statistic - gpa is always considered relative to a school's rigor and competition, if columbia gets applicants from better schools the statistic becomes meaningless. The sat score, or ACT score are a better metrics, because despite all their flaws they are an absolute standard here:</p>

<p>columbia college = 1409 and 33
barnard college = 1355 and 30</p>

<p>all these statistics are outdated, since they're still using the old SAT</p>

<p>"if columbia didn't benefit so much from the barnard-columbia relationship, then why wouldn't they just break the relationship? that's the point. they do benefit."</p>

<p>you're looking at a fact (not breaking the relationship) and attributing it's cause to one factor. there could be a variety of reasons for this - like had columbia not incorporated barnard when it went coed it might have destroyed it altogether - the president of columbia at the time was concerned about this, he didn't want to be seen as the guy destroying an all women's college. I'm not saying that's the reason, i'm not saying that it would have been the case, I'm saying you can't use columbia and barnard not breaking up as a means to justify that columbia on balance benefits greatly from resource sharing with barnard. </p>

<p>Although i do beleive in gains from trade, and it is possible that the relationship is mutually beneficial.</p>

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<p>guys, i don't want to report this thread or anyone posting on it, but it's supposed to be about "what do you like and hate about Columbia". Normally I wouldn't care but it's a rather good resource, and one i've referred people to (if it's not on Skraylor's Helpful Columbia Threads, it should be). If you want to continue discussing this, can you do the rest of us the favor of starting a new thread?</p>

<p>Thanks,
D</p>

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<p>Wow, this Kate isn't the sharpest pencil in the box. Her princeton review GPA comparison shows that Barnard lets in some people who don't have all their marbles.</p>

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<p>YAY COLUMIA BOO BARNARD!!!1!!1! GS IS FOR OLD PEOPLE LOLOLO!L!!1!</p>

<p>ok. now let's get this good thread back on topic.</p>