As far as I know, no exceptions. Or if so, there may be a delay which could result in a tragedy. Not a lot of thought put into this.
I just checked – there is a so-called heartbeat in an ectopic pregnancy. So No, no exception for ectopic.
I read the entire bill. It states that a pregnancy can be ended if a medical emergency. The MD has to keep a record, and the info is also included in the patient’s file.
The bill includes a letter the woman must sign that she has been shown a sonogram, she has been taught that not carrying a pregnancy to term can increase her chances of breast cancer, etc. the word fetus is now replaced. The male involved will have to pay child support. Further, she has received written info about all these facts and the consequences. IF she lives more than 100 miles from a licensed center, she does not have to wait 24 hours from seeing the sonogram to the procedure. And so on.
“she has been taught that not carrying a pregnancy to term can increase her chances of breast cancer,”
A flat-out falsehood.
“The male involved will have to pay child support.”
Oh sure, especially in the case of rape or incest, that’s sure to work. Give me a break.
And now, I suppose, we should get back on-topic.
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Yes, please get back on topic.
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On the issue of geographic mobility as tied to class - Joan C. Williams has some interesting ideas on this. It’s mentioned in her articles, books, and podcast interviews. E.g.:
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Interesting articles. Have you read some of her books?
I have read a number of her articles and listened to a few interviews - her book White Working Class: Overcoming Class Cluelessness is an expansion of her Nov 2016 HBR article. I have to say haven’t read the book (thought the salient points were likely in the article -I’m sure there’s more there, though!).
Of course a bit of irony is that she is a Yale/Harvard/MIT trained law professor writing about all this. Still - very thought-provoking !
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Lol, my MIL was devastated last year when we moved away from her condo (our single family neighborhood was right across the street) to our current house about 15 minutes away! She is now shopping for a new condo about 5 minutes away.
Wow! Is that just as she has become elderly, or has she always been that way?
ETA: Now that I think about it, I don’t think my MIL or my own M or Stepmother ever drove by themselves anywhere more than an hour away. Maybe it’s a generational thing.
I’ve traveled by myself many times, even after being married. Once I flew to San Jose, CA for my grandmother’s 80th birthday. Then I rented a convertible car and drove the coast to Monterrey, Pebble Beach, and Carmel, staying in ocean front B & Bs. It was so fun, and DH was fine with it. I’ve also driven Dallas to Raleigh/Durham to see D1 several times by myself. I love it. Just me and the scenery and good audio books.
I guess it’s a certain personality type that likes long drives or trips alone. I went to Europe by myself at 23 after my planned traveling companion canceled on me after her boyfriend demanded she stay home because he “would miss her too much.” It was a trip of a lifetime.
D1 is in the process of interviewing for jobs now that she has finished her Post-Doc Fellowship. If she stays put in her current area, I could see maybe buying a second home nearby. DH is thinking mountains of CO, but seems to me we could just as easily buy on in a mountain range near our D.
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Some kids have more opportunities and courage to take them, others don’t see out of the box or have courage or parental permission to ever go outside the box or town. There is no end to family enmeshment and guilt trips parents use to keep adult children on short leash.
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Both my mom and mil drove long distances all the time so not sure it’s generational.
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I think it is primarily a function of her age. She will be 83 in February. Plus, I think she likes being chauffeured around.
Gosh, there are plenty of 80+ people that we should be GLAD that they are not driving long distances! I don’t think that’s unusual at all! Of course it depends on the person but I would not have expected either of my parents or my in laws at 80+ to drive more than a couple of hours. They are not/were not in terrible health but it would not be the right decision!
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I asked for clarification if that person had always been that way, or if this was a recent development. My response would have been different if she said only since they were elderly.
But I did go on to say that neither my MIL, my mother, or stepmom had ever (to my knowledge) driven more than an hour alone even when they were younger. My MIL told me she never learned to drive until after her first son was born.
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My son said something related to this recently. He said “for now I want to be able to live where I work instead of needing to work where I live.” Meaning he’s not ready to settle down and buy a house yet. Both he and his GF would move for the right opportunity. They live and work near Washington DC, so have lots of options there too. (Move would likely be for lower cost of living).
One of my sons planned to follow his GF wherever she got a job (I think he was hoping for west coast), but she chose our home state (which is different than hers) on the East coast.
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My mil has never driven out of town in the 35+ years that I’ve known her. We once went to my cousins wedding and she watched my kids. My daughter had a band activity that included the parents that I knew mil would really enjoy. I asked her to drive our car one mile down the road. She made my fil drive 2.5 hours where he had something going on, so he could drive my mil and my daughter 1 mile away from our house. She was in her early 60’s at the time. I had no idea she wouldn’t drive or I would have asked a friend to pick them up. It never occurred to me because my mom would have.
My neighbor across the street does not drive out of town. When they visit their daughter in Texas from Michigan, he does all the driving because she refuses to. She is about 10 years older than me.
It would make me feel dependent on my husband and I refuse to let that happen.
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Life is so different in other people’s families. In ours I do most of the driving even when H is with me. He tends to work in the car. The only exception is when we’re towing his boat, then I let him drive most of the time (not all).
My mom divorced my dad back in the late 70s. If she’d have been dependent upon him, she’d have missed a lot of life. Instead, she got together with her siblings or friends and traveled a good bit of the world with whoever wanted to go. She also drove to our place (8 hours away) by herself many, many times.
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Well, I’m almost 73 and I drive everywhere. I wouldn’t want to make a reeeeeeally long drive – let’s say, >6 hours – by myself, just because I’d get bored and start falling asleep. But going to visit my oldest friend four hours away isn’t a big deal.
One of my DILs has her license but is terrified of driving, so she doesn’t drive. I think if she and DS have children, she’s going to need to get over it so she can take them places.
My MIL doesn’t drive. When I met her 38 years ago, she was the first adult I’d encountered who didn’t drive.
I didn’t find out until ten years ago that she did drive briefly when she was young. I was pretty shocked. She always seemed quite content being driven around by FIL. Now that FIL is gone, my H has to drive to her every week to take her on errands and to appointments.