<p>If her being more qualified is going to disqualify me, so be it. It's selfish to think like that... This girl has suffered a lot in her life and deserves the best.</p>
<p>" I think its very unlikely that she'd get caught. If she's sure that she's smart enough to get away with it, then I do know what's all the worrying about"</p>
<p>If she were that smart she'd never tell the op about this thing.</p>
<p>She trusts the OP i guess...</p>
<p>Nice point, vampro. Nicely said. Blaire, you seem like a very caring friend. If your friend gets caught or doesn't, it's her path so I suppose you have to accept it... Ethically, if she did mess up the transcripts and succeeded in fooling your high school, you should tell, but life isn't all that great.</p>
<p>vampiro, what I meant about the coach PR-ing a student, is also like how an orchestra leader pushes an applicant for admission. I'll use that one instead. The applicant could be in contact with the orchestra leader, maybe send a few CD's of their music playing, and the orchestra leader could be REALLY interested in this person's playing, and really in need of a, say, flutist. So they might email an admissions officer, telling them they need a flutist, and that so-and-so's skills are of a high enough caliber for the orchestra.</p>
<p>Adcoms do take into consider what other faculty members tell them, like what "spcial interest" person they need, so if you DO have a another faculty member rooting for you, that may give you an edge in, cause adcoms are also worried about building a community.</p>
<p>Thanks again, everyone. I just hope she knows how to do it "right". Ironic, I know. If she can wisely take advantage on everything college has to offer her, I have no doubt she can be very successful, after all.</p>
<p>I don't think an F would ruin all her applications. But if she gets caught (and I think it's absolutely possible), she won't get anywhere. So best thing she can do is send the "F" records, write great essays and when she gets in be happy because she deserves it. I know what it feels like to have something you've deserved and if she sends the real records, she won't regret, I'm sure.</p>
<p>Btw, it's nice to see another Bulgarian on this forum:)</p>
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<blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>"Don't get me wrong, she's after all quite a bright kid. She got 1490 on her SAT's (old one) and 760 on the SAT 2 biology and 790 Writing (when it was still SAT 1). I had some lab classes with her on 10th and 11th grades and she was a very strong student, as far as I recall. Just has some F's because she missed lot's of tests and classes because of personal reasons." <<<<</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
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<p>well, those are very good SAT scores and if she's smart and the Fs are there due to the reasons u mention, then tell her she's not THAT desperate and shouldn't have to fake transcripts. she can have a talk with the counselor and ask him/her to mention that she was having personal problems for which she messed up some classes. she can also address this herself in an essay or in some extra letter to the colleges. make her focus on her strengths and help her gain confidence... this whole faking business basically stems from lack of confidence issues... no matter how stubborn and sure she might seem to you. </p>
<p>and i think colleges have a way of sniffing out who's fake and who's real. u cud also do what izzy said and half a talk with your counselor and tell him/her to seal every1s transcripts and stuff...</p>
<p>Does your friend realize that the school is going to have to send another copy of the transcript with proof that she has successfully completed high school? Unless she plans on faking her final transcript also (as these are usually sent over the summer), she will get caught and her admission will be rescinded.</p>
<p>Oh, that's right! They send end-of-year transcripts! </p>
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<p>Busted... (I really hope!! Nobody who cheats into admissions deserves to get away with it and "honored" as being the risk-taker!)</p>
<p>Blaire-
I see where your concern comes from. I don't have much to add, just refer her to this thread, we'll be happy to help her as well. And you are indeed a great friend :)</p>
<p>And everyone else here- I am really messed up with what I have to send schools in terms of transcripts. Both me and the school need to send ,y final transcript? Because I have only one original copy, that's what we get. The school doesn't have more copies, the goverment does and oreding more takes ages and costs a lot! Please can someone clearify that to me?</p>
<p>i did my olevels from one school and am still doing my alevels from a different schools. my old school gave me photocopies of my 9th and 10th grade transcripts (the mock results), they attested it (official stamp and signature). my new school gave me a photocopy of my 11th grade transcript, along with actual AS results and predicted A level results and first quarter 12th grade results. and this too has an official stamp. i believe i'll have to send my mid year report when my grades are available at the end of the first term... that's about it, i think. i don't think my school is supposed to send any more copies of my transcripts but if the adcoms want to see copies, they can ask for them from my old and new schools and verify.</p>
<p>do you agree with me if i say that in general, only the top students are inclined to cheat/dishonest?</p>
<p>hehe, well... in my personal experience, i've seen that most top students tend to care a LOT about their studies... some of them, to the point of becoming really viciously competitive. however, this is a small percentage compared to great students who don't usually need to and therefore don't cheat. usually, most top students refuse to ADMIT that they are great.
i don't see a person cheating unless s/he is in serious trouble or wants sth really really badly. but it's usually not a top student.</p>
<p>um i should rephrase that. those who cheat tend to come from the top student group.</p>
<p>So is the school sending my results? Because I don't think they'll do it here. Can I ask for a copy and send it to the chool myself?</p>
<p>that's what i did: i think the rule is that you send your results but they must be attested (verified) by your school. then if the college still wants to see a copy sent from your school, they can contact them and the school will deal with that.</p>
<p>Lets face it,if she doesn't fake her school records the admission officers are most likely to consider her as a weak applicant even thought she's bright and her test scores are really good.I don't think that her fraud is such a terrible crime cause after all she had her personal troubles because of which she couldn't be a dilligent stundent.The problem here is what her chances of succeeding are.</p>
<p>Either way, I hope she'll do fine. Even thought she's applying to some of my schools lol :)</p>
<p>I d believe that people who flunk here and there are not dumb. But it does show spmething on studying habits. But if she had her personal reasons and has changed, she CAN be successful at school. People change. And I trust she'll learn her lesson any how and will do better.</p>
<p>Whoa, if she had some adverse personal situation, she can write it in the "additional information" box; two wrongs do not make a right here. If she messed up in school, then she should just aim lower in college choices, not try to cheat her way in to top institutions. If they think taht she belongs based on the truth about her, then I can accept that she deserves to be there. But if she lies and is accepted, then I cannot accept that she is taking the place of another student who is more qualified. In fact, I would say that it smacks of arrogance to the highest degree that she thinks herself more clever than the university, or somehow better than the rest of the student body there. If she lies, she deserves nothing except the explusion and revocation of her visa that she will get. And that will teach a greater lesson than anything else.</p>
<p>sometimes i think that it's unfair that a college judges a person mainly by his/her test scores, secondary school transcripts, etc.</p>
<p>but then i think there are a few things to offset that. there are recommendations, essays, details of extracurricular activities, etc - things that paint a more complete picture of the applicant. </p>
<p>i know some schools think that a bunch of numbers and the letters A to F make the bigger part of the picture and i don't fully agree. however, to a college's defence, they might be thinking like that for 2 reasons:</p>
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<li><p>essays, recomms and even list of extracurricular activities can be fabricated or exaggerated or written by someone else. your transcripts and SAT scores are not that easy to fabricate unless you have an identical twin who's a very good student ;)</p></li>
<li><p>school usually equalizes everything else. u may have access to better essay editing services and the money to pursue some fancy extracurricular stuff outside school while inside, everyone has the same resources available. so secondary school report is, justifiably, the most important factor.</p></li>
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<p>a lot of people go through personal problems. some deal with it in a self-destructive way, slacking off. others keep their personal and educational lives completely separate. however, in general, a college DOES usually make a few considerations in its evaluation when it is noted that the student was going through some personal problems. if it affected only a few courses, then it should be even easier to consider. </p>
<p>tell the girl to make use of the non-statistical parts of her application. if they are done with a lot of care, they may significantly redeem her in the eyes of the admissions officers.</p>