<p>I think that...</p>
<p>Michigan-AA
Any UC besides UC-Riverside and UC-Santa Cruz
Illinois-Urbana Champaign
Virginia
University of Washington-Seattle
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
William and Mary
Wisconsin-madison</p>
<p>are all public ivies. Anyone care to agree, disagree, add more, etc?</p>
<p>I think ivy is just a word.</p>
<p>my "Public Ivy":</p>
<ol>
<li>UC Berkeley - in fact, better than most of the real ivy league schools</li>
<li>Michigan - equally as strong as some of the ivy league schools</li>
<li>UCLA - equally as strong as some of the ivy league schools</li>
<li>Virginia - equally as strong as some of the ivy league schools</li>
<li>Purdue - better in sciences and engineering than some of the ivy league schools</li>
<li>Texas, Austin - better in sciences and engineering than some of the ivy league schools</li>
<li><p>UNC - equally as strong as some of the ivy league schools in a some areas</p></li>
<li><p>University of Pennsylvania - opps, just kidding. Lol</p></li>
<li><p>U. of Illinois, Urbana - better in sciences and engineering than some of the ivy league schools.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>Berkeley
Michigan
UVA
UCLA
UNC
William & Mary
Wisconsin
UIUC
Penn State
UF
UTexas
UWashington</p>
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<li> -</li>
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<p>MD and rutgers</p>
<p>Berkeley - no question. According to many ranking sources like the NRC and even USNWR grad rankings, it has more highly ranked academic programs than EVERY Ivy
Michigan - the closest second to Berkeley in terms of faculty quality/strength of academic programs
Wisconsin - probably overshadowed in the Big 10 by Michigan, but also has excellent departments across the board; tends to suffer from the same issue as schools like UT and Illinois, where less selective undergrad overshadows top ranked academic programs
UT-Austin - due to the strength of its Ransom library alone, UT beats every Ivy except Yale and Harvard (and many scholars even rank the Ransom over the Beinecke and Houghton); libraries, museums, and performing arts spaces beat most Ivies and also has top-ranked programs across the board
UCLA
Illinois
Washington
UNC
Florida
UVA - excellent undergrad, but not as strong as all the universities listed above in terms of faculty quality, research, and departments across the board; still, has some very strong professional schools like law and business
William & Mary - again, excellent undergrad, but not a world-class research powerhouse like some of the above</p>
<p>Well, according to the guy that actually coined the term public ivy...</p>
<p>The Public Ivies:
The original public ivies from Moll's Public Ivys: A Guide to America's Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities published in 1985 (school and year founded):</p>
<p>College of William and Mary (1693)
Miami University (Ohio) (1809)
University of California system (1868)
University of Michigan (1817)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1789)
University of Texas at Austin (1883)
University of Vermont (1791)
University of Virginia (1819) </p>
<p>A later book titled The Public Ivies: America's Flagship Public Universities (2001) by Howard and Matthew Greene of Greene's Guides expanded upon the list in the first book.</p>
<p>From Greene's Guides published in 2001, additional schools:</p>
<p>Binghamton University
Indiana University Bloomington
Michigan State University
The Ohio State University
The Pennsylvania State University
Rutgers University
University of Arizona
University of Colorado at Boulder
University of Connecticut
University of Delaware
University of Florida
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Iowa
University of Maryland, College Park
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin-Madison </p>
<p>Howard Greene and Matthew Greene present a slight variant of their own list in an appendix to an earlier volume Hidden Ivies: Thirty Colleges of Excellence, (2000),</p>
<p>University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Davis
University of California, Los Angeles
University of California, San Diego
University of California, Santa Barbara
College of William and Mary
Indiana University Bloomington
Pennsylvania State University
University of Colorado at Boulder
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Michigan
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Virginia
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin-Madison </p>
<p>Other schools are sometimes referred to as Public Ivies as well, partly as a result of the acceptance of the term into popular culture and in other cases as a result of marketing efforts by the colleges and universities themselves.</p>
<p>For example, based on U. S. News and World Report rankings, the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education opines that, in addition to the above, Georgia Institute of Technology (Georgia Tech) could also be considered a "Public Ivy".</p>
<p>Though not included on the above lists, Murray State University includes the phrase "Kentucky's Public Ivy University" on its official logo and the State University of New York at Geneseo, part of the State University of New York system, describes itself as a "Public Ivy."</p>
<p>Top scholarship students and Grad schools every bit on par with IVY League:</p>
<p>California
Virginia
Michigan
North Carolina
UCLA</p>
<p>Closest Ivy Experience:</p>
<p>William & Mary- class by itself on undergrad education/history/prestige. Was private for 200 years. Fluke of history that its public now.</p>
<p>Agreeing with Swish - If you exclude Cornell, which in a number of ways is an outlier from the other Ivies, the Ivy League undergraduate experience tops out at 9000 students (exclude Penn and you're down to about 6500). I'm not sure that you can compare the experience as one of 20-30,000 undergrads to that of smaller institutions. W&M, in terms of size and intimacy is the only one of the above that may have a similar feel.</p>
<p>So now the term "public ivy" is used so widely it doesn't really mean anything.</p>
<p>Sales hype. ;)</p>
<p>IMO, if Penn State is a public ivy, University of Pittsburgh should be a public ivy as well...just saying...</p>
<p>Great, another thread to bring out the Berkeley trolls. Mubuhay get a life.</p>
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1. UC Berkeley - in fact, better than most of the real ivy league schools
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<p>Wow, there are a ton of berkely fanatics on this forum. Apparently the idea that no college is better than any other for every person does not apply to Berkely. I'm not saying Berkely isn't a really good school, (it is), but you don't see nearly as many die-hard supporters from any other school; you'd think they'd mostly be Harvard or something...</p>
<p>I don't think it's better than most of the ivy league schools...but it's certainly not very far off.</p>
<p>8 ivies means 8 public ivies.</p>
<p>mich
uva
berkeley
ucla
wm
unc
wisconsin
illinois</p>
<p>wm definitely offers the experience closest to that of the ivies.</p>
<p>UWash and UF are certainly public ivies.</p>
<p>So...</p>
<p>Berkeley = PHarvard (most prestige)
U Michigan = PYale (2nd strongest programs across board)
UVa = PPrinceton (strong undergrad)
UCLA = PColumbia (good school in popular city)
UNC = PDartmouth (no idea why)
William&Mary = PBrown (no idea why)
Wisconsin = PUPenn (no idea why)
UIUC = PCornell (both good at engineering)</p>
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Wow, there are a ton of berkely fanatics on this forum. Apparently the idea that no college is better than any other for every person does not apply to Berkely. I'm not saying Berkely isn't a really good school, (it is), but you don't see nearly as many die-hard supporters from any other school; you'd think they'd mostly be Harvard or something...
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<p>I think s/he said that Berkeley > most Ivies, not that Berkeley is better than every other college for every other person. I think you can make an argument that Berkeley > some Ivies when looking at the University as a whole (undergrad wise, maybe only on par with Cornell and maybe U Penn). Anyway, there seems to be a lot of Berkeley fanatics but also a lot of Berkeley haters. ::shrug::</p>
<p>How about the "public little ivies": Miami Ohio, Evergreen State, New College (FL), SUNY Geneseo, Mary Washington, St. Mary's (MD), Truman State.</p>