<p>Did you see this on AskMsSun blog (Ms</a>. Sun's UC Admissions Blog)</p>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>
<p>Wow, that was MOST interesting. Thank you for posting and a big thank you to Ms. Sun for her investigative research. This is the first proof I have seen that the campuses do share admissions information, though not sure if they have always done so. I am not sure what to conclude from this, and not sure why this process would be a disadvantage to UCSC applicants as emphasized by Ms. Sun:</p>
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<p>Presumably UCSC offers admission to students who were not offered admission to the top two campuses? I wonder what Berkeley’s “tool” was that caused concern?</p>
<p>One problem I see is that kids sometimes apply to different majors at different campuses, depending on the program. The process as described would seem to indicate that applications are reviewed without regard to the designated major. How can a score for the engineering major at UCLA be compared to a score for a biology major at UCSC?</p>
<p>My son also applied to UCLA, and he was accepted to UCSC. I hope that doesn’t mean UCLA will reject him. So confused by this!</p>
<p>^ Same here but, my daughter really prefers UCSC in her heart. It will be interesting to see the UCLA result on Thursday.</p>
<p>Edit: I just read that whole post and comments over at Ms. Sun. Wow. Long and short, the UCLA reader was responsible for the score that got my daughter admitted to UCSC. </p>
<p>But to quote the OP, what does this mean? Surely two (or three!) campuses will not admit the same pool of students. How are they dividing up the 1s and 2s (in holistic score)?</p>
<p>They are not dividing up the 1 and 2 scores between the campuses.</p>
<p>A given applicant will be scored by the admissions readers (range 1 to 5, 1 being best). Each campus has its own threshold for admission; the less selective campus and division (e.g. Letters and Science, Engineering, etc.) have lower (higher numerically) thresholds.</p>
<p>For example, an applicant whose application was scored a 3 may be denied at UCB or UCLA, especially for popular divisions or majors, but is likely to be accepted at UCSC. An applicant whose application was scored a 1 will likely be accepted at all three (pretty much certain unless a given division or major is so competitive that tie-break procedures need to be done among the 1 score applicants for that division or major).</p>
<p>There is more discussion in the other thread:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1306513-ucsc-using-holistic-scores-ucb-ucla-admit-decisions.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1306513-ucsc-using-holistic-scores-ucb-ucla-admit-decisions.html</a></p>
<p>One way to think of the shared holistic review scores is to view them like standardized tests. The applicant is scored in a standardized way; then each campus (and division and major, as applicable) sets its score threshold, which differs between them.</p>
<p>Of course, holistic review have the potential for some inconsistencies in scoring, even though the UC holistic review process is intended to be as consistent as possible (unlike at some highly selective private schools, which have different goals). For example, a document linked in the other thread indicates that UCLA readers may be grading slightly easier than UCB readers, since more applicants have better UCLA scores than UCB scores than vice-versa (although most applicants to both have the same scores from both).</p>
<p>Ucbalumnus: Since this is the first time I’m getting some exposure in this sort of thing (b/c our only son applied to colleges this year), I don’t have the in-depth understand of all this.</p>
<p>What is your take on what Ms Sun said this in her following post: “I don’t see any evidence of UCSC making adjustments to the number of admits from the UCSC-only pool of applicants (those who only applied to UCSC and not Berkeley or UCLA) in the Academic Senate minutes so I will assume that the campus did not accept a larger number of UCSC-only applicants. I will also assume that a high percentage of students who are admitted to Berkeley and UCLA will not enroll at UCSC.” ?</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>@CAcoll:</p>
<p>It basically means that UCSC made a big mistake on their part and ended up admitting UCB/UCLA material students. Typically, students who are admitted to UCLA/UCB won’t attend UCSC. So this year, Ms. Sun expects the vast majority of UCSC admitted students to attend UCB/UCLA (because they will presumably be accepted there as well), thus leaving hundreds/possibly thousands of free seats open at UCSC. In other words, UCSC reviewed their applicants as tough as UCB/UCLA would have reviewed them and so the actual UCSC level applicants were rejected. Don’t make false assumptions like these though:</p>
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<li>Getting accepted to UCSC does not guarantee acceptance to UCB/UCLA. UCSC’s cutoff mark is probably way lower than UCB/UCLA’s cutoff mark. An applicant may have made UCSC’s cutoff mark but failed to reach UCB/UCLA’s cutoff mark.</li>
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<p>However, it does seem to me that people who were rejected at UCSC have almost no chance at making UCB/UCLA. Correct me if I’m wrong.</p>
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<p>That was my exact question when I asked whether UCSC accepted all of UCLA and UCB readers’ 1 and 2 scores. UCBalumnus said that’s not how it was.</p>
<p>@panther123:</p>
<p>Thank you for your explanation! My son applied to 2 different majors at these 2 schools, and he got accepted to UCSC, so in my son’s case, it would be odd for UCSC to use his UCLA score since it’s for another major!</p>
<p>Here’s what I’m speculating about how the scores will be “divided” up between the campuses:</p>
<p>According to the document, these are the values/meanings of each holistic score number:</p>
<p>1 - Emphatically Recommended for Admission (Just take me in!)
2 - Strongly Recommended for Admission (I can perform very well at your campus)
3 - Recommended for Admission (I’m a good candidate for this campus)
4 – Qualified Applicant (I’m barely there at making this campus)
5 – Recommendation for Denial (You’ve been rejected. The end.)</p>
<p>One of my friends called UCSC and found out how many points they received for their holistic review process. Turns out they had a “4” and they were waitlisted. Now, assuming that a “4” is the threshold for being waitlisted at UCSC, it means that every applicant who scored a “3”, “2”, or a “1” was accepted at UCSC (again, this is an assumption… a “3” may have resulted in a waitlist as well, we don’t know). So if you got into UCSC, you had a score of “3” or higher. I would think that UCLA/UCB accept applicants who have scored a “1” or a “2”. They may also accept a certain number of people who scored a “3” based on space availability. A “4” or a lower is definitely a rejection at UCB/UCLA because if you were waitlisted at UCSC, you’re certainly not going to be competitive enough for UCB/UCLA’s applicants. </p>
<p>So what do we realize from all this analysis? Applicants who scored a “2” or a “1” will most probably be admitted to UCLA/UCB. Applicants who scored a “3” may or may not be admitted. Again, this is all my personal speculation, so be sure to take this with a grain of salt. We’ll find out LA’s results tomorrow so hang in there everyone!</p>
<p>Yes but there is something missing. Ms Sun speculates that UCSC won’t meet its yield target because most students who were admitted to UCB and/or UCLA, <em>and</em> UCSC probably will not choose UCSC. </p>
<p>I would have thought the smart people at UC would have anticipated this. </p>
<p>Additionally, there are some people in the decision thread with pretty good stats that were using UCSC as a safety and were not accepted. </p>
<p>Logically - it doesn’t work. Not if UCLA, UCB, and UCSC are all accepting the same pool of people as their top acceptances. Unless UCSC took <em>all</em> of the 3s that probably were not offered a place at the other two. And maybe left the 1s for UCLA and UCB.</p>
<p>As you said - we’ll find out tomorrow.</p>
<p>Daughter was accepted at UCLA tonight. Pretty surprised!</p>
<p>Thus far, everyone that i’ve talked to (~25 people) at my school who were waitlisted/rejected from UCSC (~4.0 UC GPA, ~1900-2200 SAT) have been rejected from UCLA. They applied to both UCB and UCLA as well. As far as I can tell, this only supports the fact that UCSC did not reject people who were **overqualified<a href=“possibly%20qualified%20for%20UCB/UCLA”>/b</a>.</p>