<p>However, one of the big problems of the SUNYs is that there are just too many NYers and not enough diversity from other states.</p>
<p>It is true that the majority of students at SUNY's are from NY but they still offer more diversity than a private school. At SUNY schools, you will see a more diverse student body than at any private campus. The diversity comes in many forms--religious, racial, economic, etc. as opposed to the "extremely homogeneous" populations found on most private school campuses.</p>
<p>" * Guaranteed On-Campus Housing For All Undergraduates
* 73% of first-year students live in college housing
* 56% of all undergraduates live in college housing
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<p>Those numbers look good to me. The SUNYs have a lot of suitcase and commuting students. I know that at UB, the numbers are not even close. </p>
<p>NYsmile, the suitcase and commuter status of the SUNYs make it tough for a type of diversity that my kids like. Still, I have one at a SUNY, and liking it there, but he would have so much preferred some OOS kids and more kids who were not regional at the school. It seems that the majority of such kids are international students. He would have liked more of a Penn State, Michigan, MD type of an atmosphere.</p>
<p>Actually, I think generalizing the SUNY schools as suitcase/commuter schools isn't fair (SUNY Stony Brook however is definitely a commuter/suitcase school). The SUNY that my son attends is not a suitcase/commuter school and most kids stay on campus on the weekends. If they're not on campus, it's because a bunch of them probably got together to take a weekend trip to Montreal or to Vermont to go skiing. He's made friends with a wide variety of kids--international, OOS, upstate NY kids, downstate NY kids, rich kids, poor kids, kids of different races and religions, conservative, liberal, gay, straight, etc. He finds the student population less concerned with maintaining cliques and more concerned with surrounding themselves with a diverse group of friends.</p>
<p>I think monorail has given the most accurate description of Fordham, especially regarding the housing dilemma (two of my friends were paid to commute). But, to be fair, NYU employs the same tactics in paying inner-city students to commute.</p>
<p>EDIT - It really is a shame, too. Just about every low-income student I know would rather accept the sum of money than spend 10k+ for the dormitory. Sure, it may be a decent pay off, but </p>
<p>1) it takes away an aspect of the college experience
2) it contributes to the racial divide at Fordham</p>
<p>cp, you said: "Many of the kids I know who go to Fordham and commute do so out of choice."</p>
<p>Right. It's as much a choice as being denied housing is a choice due to geography.</p>
<p>It's not a choice; it's economic stratification. Fordham has the money to house all of its freshman, even via grants for those who can't afford it. And certainly it has the facilities—the housing crunch should affect upperclassmen, not first-years. More than a few colleges across the nation require their freshmen to live on campus.</p>
<p>You also say: "Also many of the commuters I know are white."</p>
<p>The majority, the vast majority, are not white if you define commuter as a student who lives at home and commutes to school.</p>
<p>The commuter population at Fordham is tacitly treated as a lower class when they are separated from what I argue is the true college experience of living on campus and experiencing other people in that environment. The saddest part of it is, as x90 notes, it's very much drawn along racial lines.</p>
<p>X90, you know, sometimes those incentives to commute for inner city students can make or break a person's chances of getting a college education. Those additional funds might be just enough for the student to get through the four years. Sure housing would be great, but i don't think thats the biggest thing on their minds. They are probably more focused on getting an education, and not so much on "the experience. "</p>
<p>and sure there are racial divides when it comes to the commuting populace in colleges, but it think that is because there are a lot of minorities living in the bronx.<br>
Don't you think it would be unfair for a student in philadelphia, for example, to be turned down from FU just because someone that lives five minutes away from the college wants to live on campus. by forcing locals to commute, FU can admit more students from different states without having to significantly sacrifice the number locals they admit.</p>
<p>"X90, you know, sometimes those incentives to commute for inner city students can make or break a person's chances of getting a college education. Those additional funds might be just enough for the student to get through the four years. Sure housing would be great, but i don't think thats the biggest thing on their minds. They are probably more focused on getting an education, and not so much on "the experience. "</p>
<p>Couldn't Fordham use those stipends as just independent grants or even towards work-study grants? The way things are now, students are essentially being coaxed away from an experience that they don't know if they would like. Also, commuting doesn't really aid in the maturation process, especially if a person has lived in the city all his life. For the sake of comparison, a commuter attending community college doesn't receive those certain intangibles that a full-time dormitory student does. I liken it to high school, part 2. Once the students leave campus, it's business-as-usual, just as it has been for most of their lives. </p>
<p>** " and sure there are racial divides when it comes to the commuting populace in colleges, but it think that is because there are a lot of minorities living in the bronx. Don't you think it would be unfair for a student in philadelphia, for example, to be turned down from FU just because someone that lives five minutes away from the college wants to live on campus. by forcing locals to commute, FU can admit more students from different states without having to significantly sacrifice the number locals they admit. " **</p>
<p>It isn't as if the school tries to accommodate its housing problem by making a substantial amount of NYC students commute in general. In NYC high schools, a lot of students are rerouted through the FU's EOP program. From what I understand, the program makes it mandatory for students under the program to commute, with, what has been stated before, a stipend. Coincidentally enough, this program is only available to those who are minorities and meet a certain income bracket cut-off. These are the students being swayed away from housing. If anything, I think Fordham should begin working to try to bring more EOP students onto campus.</p>
<p>"Coincidentally enough, this program is only available to those who are minorities and meet a certain income bracket cut-off."
NO THIS MOST DEF.. NOT TRUE! THE HEOP PROGRAM (NOT EOP-EOP STAND FOR THE PROGRAM FOR STATE SCHOOLS) IS FOR ALL STUDENTS WHOSE PARENTS DO NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE PRIVATE UNIVERSITY TUITION. ITS IS NOT FOR MINORITY STUDENTS AS YOU MENTION. THAT IS VERY IGNORANT OF YOU TO MAKE CONCLUSIONS BASED ON SOMETHING YOU HAVE NOT DONE YOU RESEARCH ON.
CHECK OUT THE HEOP WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!</p>
<p>NO THIS MOST DEF.. NOT TRUE! THE HEOP PROGRAM (NOT EOP-EOP STAND FOR THE PROGRAM FOR STATE SCHOOLS) IS FOR ALL STUDENTS WHOSE PARENTS DO NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE PRIVATE UNIVERSITY TUITION. ITS IS NOT FOR MINORITY STUDENTS AS YOU MENTION. THAT IS VERY IGNORANT OF YOU TO MAKE CONCLUSIONS BASED ON SOMETHING YOU HAVE NOT DONE YOU RESEARCH ON.
CHECK OUT THE HEOP WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!</p>
<p>Sorry for not being clear. I know enough about the program in itself to know that it is targeted towards low-income minorities. The fact that they wish to garner more minority applicants is just an implication of the program, not a mandatory rule. Once again, my mistake. However, I have attended a few information sessions at various schools and most, if not, all the students present were minorities. I don't think it can be denied that the underlying point of EOP/HEOP programs is to increase minority enrollment.</p>
<p>I am unaware of these information sessions that you have attended on HEOP/EOP seeing how this program does not hold any. This program does not target minorities it targets students whose parents earn less. I too have seen HEOP students and i can assure you that all or majority are not minorities. You continue to make false conclusions i truly suggest you rethink much of what you type.</p>
<p>I'm not sure if I like Rose Hill's location in the Bronx. Any one want to reassure me of how safe it is around campus or anywhere students would be...or the commute to NYC.... that's the only thing I really don't like about the school...</p>
<p>I also don't like that the school isn't more well known or ranked higher b/c it sure deserves to be!!! :)</p>
<p>i agree, it should be ranked higher. if you're planning on working in NYC, you don't have much to worry about with regards to its reputation, because its fairly well known in manhattan. </p>
<p>the neighborhood is okay. i wouldn't go out by myself at night, but if you go with a large group, you'll be safe.</p>
<p>I understand how you feel about the Bronx area it at times is presented as "dangerous." That being said rest assured that much of the bad that occurs outside campus is at night when not many people are around. During my Middle School attendance I walked around the Fordham area freely and nothing out of the ordinary happened. If however, you choose to go out to a bar or any social even at night i suggest you bring along people this way you are safer.
Bronx is beautiful! Fordham is very busy during the day!!!!! VERY VERY BUSY! There are people who take the metro north daily. There is a huge Department of Education building located right across the street from the Library. Also, across the street there are tents of people who sell all types of things and an eating area. The Fordham Library Center is amazing and its only three block up from Fordham U. If you walk up to Grand Concourse you will see PC Richards, AJ Wright and other stores that you can shop at. All of these things I mentioned are rarely talked about. Many people in these threads choose to talk about the Bronx Zoo, Little Italy, and Botanical Gardens. While all those place are great there are other places in Fordham that are great too.</p>
<p>good post abbyg....I do love Fordham and I guess I wouldn't say i dislike its location as much as i may have led on...i just guess i kinda wish it was right in manhattan but dont wanna go to Lincoln Center b/c i love the Rose Hill traditional campus... hows the transportation to Manhattan...methods, cost, availiabitity...any input would be great.</p>
<p>To Manhattan:
D or B- 35 min ride when its express and 45 when its local.
Metro North: IDK the ride time
4 train- 35 Min very Quick
RAM VAN- The Fordham Transportation.</p>
<p>Going to Manhattan is VERY EASY you hop on the train and you go to 42nd 34th 14th where ever you want. There are many trains and the fair is very cheap only 2 dollars! HopStop.com</a> - Subway Directions and Bus Directions for New York City (NYC) is a website like MapQuest but for people who take the train.</p>
<p>*I am unaware of these information sessions that you have attended on HEOP/EOP seeing how this program does not hold any. *</p>
<p>Oh, that's nice. I guess the two information sessions I attended (one for NYU; another for Fordham with TWO of my HEOP accepted friends) was all in my mind, right?</p>
<p>This program does not target minorities it targets students whose parents earn less. I too have seen HEOP students and i can assure you that all or majority are not minorities. You continue to make false conclusions i truly suggest you rethink much of what you type.</p>
<p>Did you read what I wrote in my last post at all? I conceded the point that EOP/HEOP programs search for students based on an income-bracket cut-off. However, I also said that this is an implicit way of increasing minority enrollment, since most of the students in NYC who do not meet Fordham's HEOP income cutoff are minorities anyway. Black/White income gap, anyone?
Even with the slightest sense of perspective of the city, one would know that the majority of low-income students are minorities. </p>
<p>Take the Bronx itself, for example. The average income in that borough is 13.9k. The minority population? Over 80%. See what I mean? Other boroughs, while not as heavily populated, have minority populations of nearly half in their respective boroughs, and who would be willing to deny that lower-income students come PRIMARILY from minority households? All I'm saying is that, HEOP naturally will lure minority students with the income-bracket cut-off, and thus cause less minority students to be on the campus through their stipends. See the connection? There's no need to be overly defensive about it.</p>
<p>"and who would be willing to deny that lower-income student come PRIMARILY from minority households?"</p>
<p>WOWWWWW!!!! Very IGNORANT! Im not going to comment on that.
And I know many lower-income European students who attend Fordham part of HEOP. Contact Biswa at Fordham and he will tell you that all of his students are not MINORITIES. </p>
<p>Oh, that's nice. I guess the two information sessions I attended (one for NYU; another for Fordham with TWO of my HEOP accepted friends) was all in mind, right?</p>
<p>So at these sessions you saw a few minority students who represent HEOP and you assume that all are minorities?</p>
<p>I'm not going to waste my time writing to you, you seem very judgmental and quite frankly you wouldn't fit in the Bronx with that mentality.</p>