What effect does the high school you go to have on admissions chances?

<p>Many California high school seniors tend to apply to UCs, CSUs, and then the tippy-top schools. A few apply to other California schools, or to the publics in Oregon and Arizona. Everything else seems to be labelled with a “here be dragons” legend on the map of “colleges that we know about”. :slight_smile: </p>

<p>There are lots of other possibilities out there–be bold! :slight_smile: Buy lottery tickets, but think about what you’d like in a college, and see if there’s some as-yet-unknown-to-you school out there that would be a good fit.</p>

<p>This is my school’s story and what I heard.
My school is in Socal, API 858. I think my school is very competitive but this year there are 2 people who got accepted into Harvard, which are a valedictorian and a smart ftball player. 1 got accepted into Yale, 1 Duke, 1 Rice. I belive no one is going to Standford this year. </p>

<p>I also heard another different story from CCtreads. I remember reading a tread about a student who went to a poor school. He even said that it’s like a ghetto school and the average SAT scores of his school is like 1400 and quite a few people hot above 2000. His SAT scores wasn’t that good (like 1700-1800), but because of his school stats, he got in a pretty good college I belive UCLA or UCB.</p>

<p>Heh my school’s average is like 1500-1530, and my SAT is well above that. Is that advantageous for me?</p>

<p>You go to CCA don’t you? I do :P</p>

<p>Nevermind, you said a lot of your school is URM’s. I don’t think we have a lot of URM’s here.</p>

<p>Do all schools have these quotas or targets from geographic areas? Do they ever have them for specific high schools?</p>

<p>arc0511: do a search on “quota”.</p>

<p>The answer is NO.</p>

<p>Hey guys, I’m wondering where I can find information on these “quotas” for my area? I live near Poughkeepsie, New York.</p>

<p>Also, what exactly is API?</p>

<p>Oh, I get to answer questions on my own question thread. -.- Haha.</p>

<p>I’m going to be optimistic and say that colleges do NOT have quotas for geographic areas.</p>

<p>@unicornpuncher, API measures how good your school is at taking standardized tests–at least, that’s what it is in California. I’m not sure if API is country-wide.</p>

<p>@darknite38, I don’t go to CCA, haha. Ever heard of Mission Hills?</p>

<p>Oh damn Mission Hills. Pretty good school. But not as good as Torrey Pines or La Jolla rofl.</p>

<p>And here are the Harvard newsletters with the list of people from Southern California accepted for the high school classes of 20-9 and 2010.</p>

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<p>There is indeed a pattern of acceptances within a region among schools. Maybe there isn’t technically a “quota” per se, but Harvard seems to favor certain schools over others. In the South Bay region, Harvard seems to favor schools who hold both generally good academics and ECs like Palos Verdes Peninsula and Long Beach Poly. </p>

<p>It’s funny, because Gretchen Whitney HS, which is, too, in the South Bay region, barely has any Harvard acceptances yet has higher state testing scores/API and SAT and ACT averages than Poly and PVP do—in fact, the highest in the state of California. However, the quality of ECs and activities of the school do not match those of PVP and Poly whose students rank nationally for several activities like Forensics, Economics Challenge, and science fair competitions. Kids who play national and international level concerts, kids who are recruited for athletics (esp. Woodrow Wilson HS - football player feeding school to Stanford), and kids who perform well at Olympiads. (I’m immensely jealous of PVP’s science research curriculum…they send so many kids to ISEF and STS like it’s no big deal). </p>

<p>It’s undeniable that Harvard will look somewhat at the quality of your school and I do believe that those attending better schools, in terms of having <em>both</em> overall good academics and good ECs/activites, will have somewhat of a better advantage than schools that are somewhat subpar (or, in the case of Whitney HS, focus way too much on testing and academics). Why is it that you don’t see a plethora of Harvard acceptances from high schools like Gahr High, Artesia High, and Cerritos High in the South Bay region? (APIs are less than 800, average ECs) I believe Harvard will take into account how well the academic curriculum at your school will challenge you because, remember, they need to take in kids that will be able to survive their school if they’re accepted as well as contribute, diversity, and further the activities, clubs, and organizations it has to offer.</p>

<p>This is why I say “They will look at you relative to your school, but your stats should be just as, if not more, competitive than others in your geographical region.” You should be just as academically competitive and extremely exceptional in the activities that you pursue so that the college will know you are just as prepared to enter the school as other kids in your area. If your school is relatively subpar, e.g. SAT average of 1500, it doesn’t matter that kids in your school barely break 2000. If you get merely a 2000 or 2100 and low 700 Subject test scores and have a 4.0 while also having average, albeit not that competitive or rigorous, ECs, why should Harvard accept you? I mean, great, you’re a hot shot at your school and no one else has those sort of stats. But you need to rise a lot more above that. The valedictorian and salutatorian at my school (1400 avg. SAT, API ~700 range, overall crappy ECs and sports) for the Class of 2010, for example, applied to MIT+Caltech and Stanford+Harvard, respectively. The valedictorian had a 4.0, 15 APs, ~2100 SAT, and mid-700 Subject test scores in Math and Chemistry and an 800 in World History, and his ECs were relatively lackluster - Cross Country, Environmental Science Club, History Club, CSF, Leo Club, and the school’s academic program. The salutatorian had a 3.8, ~2300 SAT, National Merit Commended, mid-700 Subject test scores (I forget which subjects), and her ECs were slightly better than the valedictorian’s - Tennis (varsity all 4 years, too), Environmental Science Club, History Club, Leo Club, and the school’s academic program, and she won a few local level speech contests. They were rejected from those schools. They both attend UC Berkeley now.</p>

<p>I mean that’s awesome, you’re significantly better than the rest of the students at your subpar school and I’m not saying schools like Harvard will overlook that. But honestly, why should Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and those schools accept them when only a few miles away from the school there are more students with better ECs and better stats?</p>

<p>That is just my theory and logic behind why I say “They will look at you relative to your school, but your stats should be just as, if not more, competitive than others in your geographical region.” I’m not saying it’s definitive…but from my own experiences of seeing people around me when applying to colleges…I would say my logic holds.</p>

<p>(And also that’s probably why it’s easier to be accepted to Harvard if you lived in, for example, middle-of-nowhere Montana rather than California, where there’s just such great concentrations of high-level competitive schools and kids everywhere)</p>

<p>Unicorn: in my post #27, I stated that there exists NO quotas. Searching for Poughkipsee quotas would be senseless. Schools will choose whomever they please-- the only reason for quotas or limits would be to reserve slots for other schools. This would only be the case if top colleges cared about appeasing high schools. They don’t.</p>

<p>Since Torrey Pines HS was mentioned a couple of times, I figured I would chime in, my daughter just graduated as part of the 2011 class.</p>

<p>Last month we attended parent orientation at UC Davis (UCD), where we had a conversation with parents from another San Diego area HS whose graduating class was about a 125 kids larger than Torrey (800 vs 675). Their daughter was one of two girls from that HS that got into UCD. They mentioned their older daughter was a Jr. at Berkeley and that one student from this years graduating class was also going there.</p>

<p>In comparison, this year Torrey Pines HS has eleven entering UCD, and thirty-six going
to Berkeley.</p>

<p>On the other hand, one is going to Harvard. (though eight got accepted to MIT).</p>

<p>At the end of the day most kids don’t choose their HS, so it’s a waste of energy to
worry about it at this point. </p>

<p>As a student enters their senior year they can change one major thing to improve college options. Get a higher SAT/ACT test score.</p>

<p>Don’t settle and keep on working to improve those scores. </p>

<p>My daughter, who wasn’t motivated to achieve on those tests until the summer before senior year, was able, with the help of tutors, to improve from the 60% to the 91% on her ACT test. It made a big difference.</p>

<p>One last suggestion. If you don’t get accepted to your dream school out of HS there is the option of transferring there at some point. If you end up a top UC school and
get the right grades it’s almost a lateral move to a prestigious private university. I know something about that maneuver, that’s what I did.</p>

<p>One last observation from attending four top universities on both coasts. The kids who
end up at the most prestigious schools aren’t really smarter than those who didn’t get accepted. They just figured out how to get in.</p>

<p>So first a little geography lesson…</p>

<p>Washington state is not all rainy. It has the Cascade Mountains in the middle which cause a rain shadow effect. The west half is what most people think of: wet, Seattle, democratic, liberal, etc etc. The east half is more like what most people think of Idaho: dry, farmland, pretty much entirely rural minus like three cities, conservative and republican.</p>

<p>Now I’m from the east side of Washington. I’m from a rural public high school. I think about half the kids here go to college, of those, most go to community colleges or state school. I had never heard of siemens or aime or anything until I got an email from college board, thought it might be a fun thing to enter, and then realized that I had no clue about really anything. My stats are pretty good and my ecs are fine I guess, but I feel as though I never even got a chance. To be competitive in the national competitions I would have had to start self studying in middle school or earlier.</p>

<p>And I’m stuck competing against kids who go to private college prep schools in Seattle? I might as well just go to UWashington…</p>

<p>(sorry about the rant…)</p>

<p>Out of my whole county in Southwest Florida, we have had like 3 students enrolling in Harvard, MIT, and Stanford this year</p>

<p>This thread is now going to be exclusively CA? And you kids who brag about your schools, be careful- somebody may somehow find out you are on CC, and if that’s a problem for you, then you should be more cautious in concealing your identities.</p>

<p>Haha only the OP and that kid from NY revealed their schools, them naive folks ya kno</p>

<p>MotherNerd: Im from WA too (Federal Way), and believe me you, its not Seattle Schools to worry about. Its Bellevue, and the other private schools like Bellarmine and Charles Wright. Thats why im kind of glad I live where I do, because there is little competition within my city, but I guess a a whole, western washington is mildly competetive for top schools.</p>

<p>@Tylrrvera, to us hicks over here, the west side is all one big city called Seattle lol</p>

<p>I go to a school in Western Washington, but everyone here belongs in Eastern Washington. Lol</p>