In an effort to make their Greek system the most notorious (insert sardonic), another round of salacious news, see: http://gawker.com/frat-bros-smile-pretty-after-allegedly-beating-man-wit-1738062751
Another aberration?
Can you stop posting everything related to Greek life? It’s kind of ridiculous. If this was 5 guys on the swim team or the robotics club you wouldn’t be posting this.
I would love to post every time a Greek system does something positive, but I don’t.
It is against the Terms of Service to post statements that are meant to deter others from posting legitimate material. This isn’t some event that took place on the New York subway or in a corn field in Nebraska, it took place in relation to a college campus and had ties to Greek life, a huge part of most college’s atmosphere. It is highly relevant. People are allowed to love Greek life, and they are similarly allowed to hate it. But this is news and does apply to people making decisions about what college they will attend and what organizations they want to join once they get there. You cannot know they or someone else would not have posted a similar thread had it been the robotics club, and I can guarantee you that any sports team, including swim teams, are often the subjects of threads when they misbehave (or worse). - Fallenchemist
Hmmn, so are you the appointed curator of Greek news that can or cannot be released? If not, don’t get up in my business about something I know you wouldn’t do personally. The fact that a recent post received just got over 800 comments in less than a month, more than speaks to its relevance and whether it resonates with the community.
Supposedly there was some sort of statue of a donkey on top of the Sigma Pi house. the five Pike pledges went over and stole it and took it over to the Pike house. A Sigma Pi pledge went over to the Pike house and retrieved it and was beaten. I’m not sure whether he was on Pike or Sigma Pi property when he took the beating.
All of the pledges have been kicked out of Pike. Although it is still under investigation at present there is believed to be no involvement or knowledge by any active member of the chapter.
Everyone in Oxford and Ole Miss is disgusted by the “smiley face” mug shots of these kids. But an incident like this in no way puts Ole Miss in the running for the most “notorious” Greek system in the country. Fights like this happen on every college campus in the country almost every week. When they happen between GDI’s they don’t get reported as widely.
Let me get this straight, five (5) members of this frat beat him, and you are splitting hairs by saying, other than these five who a formal association, no other members were involved–is that your point? And no, I have been the party of several discipline communities for universities, and this is NOT something that happens on every campus.
What do you hope to accomplish by your continued posting of negative stories about Greeks?
Awareness…and you?
Awareness about what exactly? Do you think people that frequent CC are not aware of the problems in the Greek system?
@boolaHI These five were not members of the fraternity. They were associate members, or pledges. They had pledged something like a week before. Part of the purpose of the pledge period is to give the fraternity a chance to weed out the bad apples. Ordinarily said weeding out doesn’t involve such a high-profile event as this.
And yes, I am saying an active chapter is not responsible for actions taken by pledges, if no active is aware of those actions and no active has encouraged them or facilitated them in any way. If you can show that an active chapter created an environment where pledges were encouraged to do wrong, that’s another matter.
Hmmn, rather thin…And this is not an ordinary fight. My understanding is that the victim had a multi-night stay at a hospital, you have to have a severe beating to be in the hospital that long–far from common.
@boolaHI The guy took a terrible beating. I hope the five guys go to jail. But the fraternity should not be punished for the acts of five individuals acting solely on their own.
@IvyGreekLife, some of the parents on this forum are quite concerned about the behavior of Greeks on various campuses and I for one would like to thank @boolaH1 for bringing such newsworthy reports to our attention. If it doesn’t interest you, don’t read it, but please stop harassing people who do want to discuss or hear about it.
“If this was 5 guys on the swim team or the robotics club you wouldn’t be posting this.” Apparently you missed the long thread about 5 guys on the UVa swim team…
@mathyone A big thanks. I guess some subscribe to the antiquated and provincial notion of " the only news I want to hear is good news." Which, I think is a cornerstone to become a revisionist…
I don’t mind it being posted. But I do mind it being treated as if it is some type of exceptional event that is one of the worst things to happen on a college campus this year, i.e. trying to make Ole Miss have the “most notorious” Greek system in the nation.
The sad fact is that whenever you have groups of young guys, from time to time there will be fights and violence. Usually alcohol is involved. It can be guys in different fraternities, or guys on a sports team, or guys living together in a dorm or apartment. It’s not limited to the Greek system.
Sometimes the things that happen will be truly shocking, as in this case. The pledges – who had been pledges for less than a week – have been released from their pledgeship, and there is a general clamor for them to be prosecuted. I certainly wish I could slap the smirks off of their faces. Although currently there is no evidence of any involvement by the active chapter, everyone wants an investigation. That’s all.
I’m no fan of fraternities, but I don’t see this as indicative of all fraternities or of the university. It could unfortunately happen anywhere, and needs to be dealt with when it does. If an investigation shows that what these guys did was with the encouragement of members, there should be severe consequences. Given the negative press frats have gotten lately I would expect that to happen.
Quick question, how can they be charged with hazing, if they did not have a formal relationship with the concerned entity?
@boolaHI I’m not sure what the hazing charge is doing there. I can find no rationale for it under the Mississippi code. It will likely be dropped. And for what it’s worth, there are some people at Ole Miss who don’t care much for the Pikes. I’m all for investigating them to see if they had an environment that encouraged this type of thing. I just hesitate to blame them immediately for something that happened a week after these losers pledged.
There is precedent quite a while back at Ole Miss for punishing an active chapter for something done entirely by pledges, but it happened well into the year, and the thinking was the active chapter should have had enough time to teach the pledges how to behave.
@boolaHI Here is the follow up to the story. Charges have been dismissed against four of the Pikes.