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<p>You hit the nail on the head. Usually for strong friendships to form, the families have to know each other, and "fobby" parents are generally extremely adverse to meeting people of other races (whether it be from racism or shyness). Kids sometimes end up becoming friends with the kids of their parents' friends, which keeps friendship in homogeneous circles.</p>
<p>megalo- i wont argue with you about wharton job placement in i-banks. i-banking just seems so...unfulfilling. i know for a fact that princeton does just as well in i-bank placement, and im sure harvard does too, and maybe yale.</p>
<p>Lol. One white person in my AP CAL class. It's not that we intentionally clique together, we just feel more connected because most of us come from similar background. It's easier to talk to and fit in when we have things in common. Most of the time, it's not because we are smarter, it's just because we know why a good education is needed, it has always been emphasized down the generations. =P AND it's because we are often compared with older and smarter relatives (cousins, siblings) so we just feel the need to work harder to make our parents proud.</p>
<p>typical asian, err south asian.....</p>
<p>high SAT
high grades
play tennis 4 years
play piano 4 years</p>
<p>I'm kind of proud of it too. I don't really bother with the stereotypes, heck i just make them worse and make jokes about it myself. It's fun, very fun. I also think there's some sort of title or name that I have to uphold.</p>
<p>In my school people say that Asians are so smart. I always tell people that they're not all naturally smart, it's that their parents instill a strong work ethic in them. It kind of frustrates me though because the three Asians in my honors classes all help eachother out by cheating, giving eachother answers, etc., yet they are still deemed "the smartest." Also, in my school our Key Club officers are ALL Asian, as well as CSF. However, a black person was elected for office in the Asian Club but all the Asians demanded a re-election so that one of their friends could do it. That is wrong. So, in a sense Asians have a bad name for themselves in my school because they can seem rude and constantly stick together. I don't know... I look at everyone uniquely, but I see these types of things on a daily basis.</p>
<p>I cannot emphasize this enough. Not all asians are smart. I could be very wrong in assuming that it is a popular assumption that all asian people are smart, and tell if I am. </p>
<p>Defacto racism ****ing sucks. I'm Chinese. Even though institutionalized racism technically doesn't exist anymore, there are still tensions and stereotypes against Asian people. The subject of racism in this day and age is so complex and debated.</p>
<p>People should be proud of what they achieve and being who they are, as individuals. I know that sounds corny, but it seems like people often forget this just because they couldn't score a certain numerical value on a test...and it's difficult, because you find out how demanding things really are. </p>
<p>There will always be animosity inflicted upon us by other people just as there will always been animosity inflicted on other races. But one thing I can't stand is when people associate themselves primarily of race. This is my opinion. For example, Halle Barry saying that her winning the academy award was a hallmark for African americans. </p>
<p>Likewise, I'll tell you one of the things that really disturbs me, and that is when asians calling themselves "AZNs" or saying things like "AZN pride." Or when asians associate stupid hobbies like DDR as some form of cultural identity. It's no surprise that typical stereotypes of asians doing things like playing the violin, piano, and the "workhorse ethic" become more uniform. </p>
<p>I'm sorry for ranting, but I'd like to stress that not all asians are smart, there are really dumb ones, as well, just as if there would be in any race. </p>
<p>Not all asians play the violin or piano or fall into those other stereotypes, i.e. DDR. Without turning this post into a diary entry, I'd just like to mention myself as an example. I'm an avid skateboarder/snowboarder/windsurfer who does well in school; I'm definitely not the only asian who does those activities, but with the popular "image" of your asian high school student today, it becomes weird because people say, "that's totally un-asian."</p>
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<p>I'm going to have to disagree on that,punk (lol). Not all asians rule at the arcade, in fact; I "own" at the arcade. Not that this is a personal hobbie of mine or anything, but I can safely say that Asians don't necessarily posses (sp?) natural DDR skills. I'm Mexican; and I'm good at it. I suppose that most of the things I do and want can be somewhat "asian" and "white". LOL; there is an uncertainty of what belongs to "X" race. Soon enough though and because this is the United States of America, there isn't an "official" or "default" race or language, with that comes diversion.</p>
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<p>What's even more pathetic about this is that most of the time, it's nothing more than an Asianification of American black ghetto culture. Taking pride in stealing something else... Sad.</p>
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<p>I think the biggest obstacle is the fact that many, though not all, Asian kids tend to switch back and forth between English and their native tongue. By speaking Mandarin or Korean or whatever, they're effectively excluding anybody of a different ethnicity, as well as reinforcing the image of the perpetual foreigner (which implies that Asians will never accept North American culture and values, and thus will always have to be perceived as invaders). In many instances, my impressions of groups of kids who I am not particularly close with have vastly improved because I joined in one of their group conversations and learned that they were funny and friendly people. However, if a group only speaks Cantonese, that rules out any non-Chinese (and some Chinese too, like Mandarin speakers) person from ever becoming close to them. Thus, there's the separation between the Asian kids and the rest of the school, which is really sad, and sometimes dangerous as the Asian minority is easy to pick on, since we're supposedly so "successful" that we don't need to guard ourselves against institutionalized racism that's been around forever.</p>
<p>I'm asian and I hate how asians would use "azn."</p>
<p>If your stereotype of asians is that they are good in math and science... then I fit the stereotype. However, I don't see that as a stereotype.</p>
<p>Stereotypes are for people who are narrow-minded.</p>
<p>AZN PRIDE NIGGA!!!!</p>
<p>Detroit what?! Detroit what?! Yeah, Baby yeah!</p>
<p>"Likewise, I'll tell you one of the things that really disturbs me, and that is when asians calling themselves 'AZNs' or saying things like 'AZN pride.'"</p>
<p>I completely and utterly agree. I'm not saying it's wrong to be proud of your heritage - far from it, - but I've never seen the point or necessity for Xanga circles dedicated to said AzN pRiDe and forming little cultural cliques in school. I think this just becomes an effective means of excluding other people.</p>
<p>I sometimes cringe when I attend the MultiCultural Council club meetings at my school. The club promotes tolerance and understanding of cultural diversity in the school and community, but I sometimes can't help noticing how the members are predominantly Asian - Indian and Chinese, to be specific. And when one white girl wandered into a meeting, she later told her Indian friend in the club that she felt intimidated because we were all Asian, and many of us were speaking in different languages.</p>
<p>I am not Asian but my main group of friends is made up of all Asians. I sometimes feel left out when I 'm with them because they all speak different languages and have interesting stories about coutnries where they or their parents were born. We are all top students at our school and do about euqally well but sometimes I feel like people who look at our group of friends from the outside immediately assumes that my Asian friends are the smartest students and i sometimes feel brushed aside.</p>
<p>The Asian stereotype can be a bummer</p>
<p>LOL: A japanese guy basically just went nuts when I showed him that I had DDR on my calculator...(another white dude nearby said: That's hella asian!)</p>
<p>face it, indians are BEST race EVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!</p>
<p>i haven't read all 9 pages of this thread, so i'm not sure if this has been covered, but as a first-generation chinese-american, i have another perspective on how this asian overachiever stereotype has come about:</p>
<p>Most Asian teens today are the children of "new-ish" immigrants who came to the U.S. after the 60s (due to changes in U.S. immigration policy). Many of these parents came to the U.S. on student visas for graduate studies. They were not representative of Asians who actually live in Asia. Not only were Asian-American teens today taught to value academic success and instilled with insanely strong work ethics, but they also inherited the intellectual genes of their parents, who were cream of the crop students in Asia.</p>
<p>so the "Asian stereotype" is really just a stereotype for ASIAN-AMERICANS.</p>
<p>that said, it doesn't even apply that well. i'm a chinese-american girl whose parents are both in accounting and finance, but i'm indifferent to math and science even though i'm good at those subjects. Contrary to the stereotype, I love the social sciences...i've taken all of the courses offered by my school's social studies department except for one.</p>
<p>hey, if you guys just knew my heritage, you might think of me as the epitome of a sterotypical asian... im half chinese, and half indian</p>
<p>but... i do 3 varsity sports +debate, quit piano, and get higher grades in english and history than i do in math and science. i take all honors/ap classes in math/science/english/history, but do much better in the humanities... weird i know. </p>
<p>but, i have absolutely no work ethic. i do homework the morning of and have done AP English essays the study hall before. </p>
<p>right now, i have to do an ap psych paper and submit it by midnight (online course) but am procrastinating on it by doing this and talking to friends. </p>
<p>maybe im the abnormality, but not all asians have flat noses cuz their faces r pressed up against math books for their entire lives...</p>
<p>yeah i really wouldn't be a typical asian. </p>
<p>the closes i can get to being asian is being tech savvy and playing piano (but i produce beats for a indie record label)</p>
<p>ever since back in the day, i've associated with black people around the neighborhood. i reside in borderline south central. i've been there done all that ****. </p>
<p>nd dont mistaken me for one of those asians that really try so hard to be black.</p>
<p>i can't help it if i've been raised all my life around black people.</p>
<p>i've done my share of blowin off that cali bud..</p>
<p>i've failed classes</p>
<p>i've *<strong><em>ed *</em></strong>*es (which really excludes you from typical asian category)</p>
<p>i have a gpa 2.8</p>
<p>sat of 1300 M+V</p>
<p>i think colleges should be lookin for less typical asians like me.</p>
<p>At my school, the kid who gets a 36 on the ACT or the kid who cracks that 2400 is generally an Asian.</p>
<p>Have DDR on your super duper Platinum texas intrument calculator which your asian parents bought for you because they thought it is essential for you to suceed in school, is so totally asian. You can't get more asian than that.</p>
<p>^lol</p>
<p>I am a really bad Asian.. Not only do I hate math and science AND Im bad at it, I don't have a 2300 SAT and I cant even dream of ivy league schools..in fact, its so bad that my parents are saying "fine , I'll settle for NYU Stern"</p>
<p>and it gets even worse when you know that your stats arent even good even for NYU Stern</p>