<p>I'm aware that, for law schools, the T14 are the schools considered to have national prestige and recognition. Is there a similar list for MBA programs? or at the very least something along the lines of: you want to aim for at least a top ____ school.</p>
<p>there is no t14 mbas. </p>
<p>top5 - hbs/stanford/kellogg/wharton/mit/chicago</p>
<p>m7 - above and columbia</p>
<p>top10 - above + berk/tuck</p>
<p>top15 - above + mich/duke/nyu/cornell/yale/uva/ucla</p>
<p>top 3 = harvard, stanford, wharton.</p>
<p>MIT/Kellogg/Chicago/Columbia are, blindfolded, every bit as good. But they don’t have the brand power.</p>
<p>In terms of brand power? Here are the top schools (in order):</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li><p>Stanford</p></li>
<li><p>Wharton</p></li>
<li><p>Kellogg</p></li>
<li><p>Sloan, Chicago</p></li>
<li><p>Haas, Tuck, Columbia
(schools placed in #5 and #7 can be interchangeable depending on specific field and or location.) </p></li>
<li><p>Ross, Fuqua</p></li>
<li><p>Yale, Darden</p></li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>gap -</li>
</ul>
<ol>
<li>UCLA Anderson</li>
</ol>
<p>Yale is considered that good?</p>
<p>^ Compared to UCLA, yes. But compared to Ross and all those schools ranked higher than Ross, it’s not that good.</p>
<p>IMO, MBA is different from Law. Oftentimes, bschools specialize in a specific area, which means that the recruiting opportunities are especially good for that area. This is why bschools ask for what you want to do with your MBA. </p>
<p>H/S/W will get your foot in the door in all areas. But sometimes the lower ranked specialty schools are as good if not better than H/S/W in their specialty area.</p>
<p>For example:
Tech - Sloan/Haas
Healthcare - Fuqua
Non-profit - Yale</p>
<p>I’d advise to not look so strongly at the rankings, but concentrate on what you want to do post-MBA. </p>
<p>Everyone’s opinion of MBA rankings is different. Here’s my take:</p>
<p>H/S/W
Booth/Kellogg/Sloan
Fuqua/Tuck/Stern/CBS/Haas/Yale
Ross/McCombs/Darden/Anderson</p>
<p>At least everyone can agree on the top 2, lol. </p>
<p>Although Yale’s MBA isn’t top, I would think that just because it’s Yale that it would carry tremendous clout. </p>
<p>I wouldn’t mind going to Harvard of course but after that my choice would be Ross. I grew up a Michigan fan and I would love to go to another huge football school. </p>
<p>I don’t know if I could handle California long enough for school so Stanford, UCLA, etc.</p>
<p>After spending some time in A2 (ann arbor), there’s no way I’m spending my academic year trekking through snow and ice or scrapping ice off of my windows.
Thank goodness there were a few good schools down South.</p>
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Hard to handle this much awesome. We understand.</p>
<p>mathstarftw:</p>
<p>RML’s list is somewhat accurate. See USNews for the closest thing you will find for a listing of the top schools. Harvard, Stanford and Wharton are the - almost - undisputed big three, with Sloan Northwestern Columbia Chicago Tuck then Yale and Berkeley not terribly far behind. There is a gradual decline until you get to the Cornells and the UVAs of the world, after which there is indeed precipitous drop in quality [IMO at least, I’m sure some guy from Texes will come say UT Austin MUST be a top school as well]. So, I suppose you could call it a T17 or some such thing if you’re into applying stupid labels.</p>
<p>Since people go to bschool to earn money - salaries (although they ignore the all important bonus) can give you a general bead on the quality of the school.</p>
<p>^ I think it’s only this year that Yale SOM got into the Top 10 as far as the USNews ranking goes. Thus, I would say that there’s a consistent top 9 (HSW, Kellogg, Sloan, Booth, Haas, Columbia, Tuck), and the there’s an open slot for the next spot.</p>
<p>RML, lol. </p>
<p>Is Yale in the USNWR MBA Top 10 or not? Why the need to throw in a qualifier?</p>
<p>It is or it isn’t. As it so happens, it is. <a href=“Something,%20btw,%20which%20I%20predicted%20would%20happen%203%20/%204%20years%20ago%20on%20this%20very%20site%20when%20people%20laughed%20at%20the%20thought”>I</a>*.</p>
<p>Today and, more importantly, tomorrow, I’d absolutely much rather be a Yale MBA grad over a Haas MBA grad. No question about it.</p>
<p>Yeah, I too think Yale has great potential. They are limited by their alumni base, which for the most part are in non-profit, since I think they didn’t go to traditional MBA until the late 80s, early 90s.
However, I think Yale’s upward movement will slow down. There’s just too much competition in the ranks of top 10. I think even 3/4 years ago, Yale was a top 15 schools. Yale’s recent break into the top 10 may be due to natural fluctuation in US News rankings and the fact they have high employment rate (partially due to non-profit placements) compared with other schools. Personally, I place a bit more weight on BW rankings, since it rely less on the subjective “peer” ranking, which is heavily influenced by existing US News ranking (feedback mechanism).</p>
<p>the prestige, you might as well choose Yale for PhD in Computer engineering. lol</p>
<p>just because Yale made it this year in the top 10 does not mean it is now a SOLID top 10. This is the first time that Yale made it in the top 10. If Yale would continue to be in the top 10 for 5 years then I will have a compelling reason to believe that Yale is indeed a top 10 business school. Let’s see if it still is in 2014.</p>
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<p>To be honest about this, I think so are those schools that are currently rank higher than Yale.</p>
<p>@RML: Let me quantify my assertion. Yale is one of the more selective programs out there, more so than most top 10 schools, I believe, Stanford, Harvard, and Haas are the only programs with lower acceptance. Yale gets good yield on the accepted students. Yale has good reputation for non-profit and had inroad in the VC area. Yale students has high stats (GMAT/GPA). For me, Yale has an attractive grade non disclosure policy. </p>
<p>IMO, Yale is a solid top 15 school and the line between 7-15 are kind of blurred depending on what you want to do. </p>
<p>I have no affiliation to Yale, in fact, I’ll be attending a different top 15 school next year. But I still believe Yale SOM is a solid school for MBA.</p>
<p>I, too, think that Yale is a solid school for MBA. Don’t get me wrong. I think a Yale MBA qualification will serve as much valuable as a Stanford or Harvard MBA qualification and will put you in good stead, whether or not it is a top 10 program in America. In my opinion, I think it’s what you do with your MBA that determines in the end. I have a very high respect for a Yale MBA. I think it’s one of the best in the world. But to say Yale SOM - as a business school - is a solid top 10 remains a big question to me. I think it is a solid top 15 business school. Maybe it will become a solid top 10 in the future. But right now, it is not yet a solid top 10 business school.</p>
<p>The quick litmus test for whether any program is a so-called “Top 10” program is simply to ask: are there 10 programs I’d choose over this program?</p>
<p>As for as Yale, I think it passes this simple test.</p>
<p>H / W / S -> that’s 3 schools
MIT / Columbia / Chicago / Kellogg -> that’s 7 (or “M7”)</p>
<p>now it gets interesting. 3 spots left. </p>
<p>Here are the contenders:
- Dartmouth
- Yale
- NYU
- Duke
- Michigan
- Haas</p>
<p>I give Tuck a spot right away. That leaves 2 spots. </p>
<p>Now for my money, I’d go Yale next then a “pick 'em” group of NYU/Duke/Michigan/Haas for the last spot. </p>
<p>But frankly at this point, even if you are lucky to be left with this kind of choice – and make no mistake at this point you are still talking about outstanding MBA programs (no question) – but let’s face it, for whatever reason, you are not going to be going to one of the “elite” programs, and that is simply the harsh reality. So you can take comfort in convincing yourself that you are at a “Top 10” program, whatever that may mean, but this kind of consolation rings hallow IMO.</p>
<p>Which brings me back to the Haas vs. Yale debate. If you are still trying to convince the world you are at a Top 10 program, you’ve already lost half the battle. People going to Chicago / Dartmouth / MIT / Columbia don’t have to do much convincing (they may still be suffering from H/W/S envy, but they don’t have to spend a lot of time justifying why they went there). So who are you really trying to convince? Call me crazy but given the little difference between that last group of programs vying for the 9th / 10th spots – I’d rather go with an instantly recognizable brand (and a program that has been on the rise).</p>
<p>Of FB account, 17 of the current (240) freshmen MBA students at Haas have gotten into Stanford GSB, although 10 of them have huge FA/scholarship (based on merit) from Haas. Four friends also said that about 80% of the the freshmen class got into schools you labeled “M7” except H and W. I would pick Haas over those schools you labeled, “M7” (except HSW) in a heartbeat. So it’s anyone’s taste amongst the schools outside of the Top 3, actually.</p>