<p>If it was built by a “graduated engineering student” in the seventies, it wasn’t built by Steve Wozniak, as he didn’t graduate from Berkeley until 1986 (after he had “retired” from founding Apple).</p>
<p>I think we find out in early August where we’re gonna be in, however for Admit Weekend I actually stayed in Loro. It was a small dorm, but it was really nice.</p>
<p>Well the question was the world’s best which probably implies reputation. If so…Harvard.</p>
<p>Get irritated if you want, but that’s just the truth.</p>
<p>interesting comment undisclosed.</p>
<p>If that were true, there would never be any change, because reputation is built on the PAST, not the present.</p>
<p>No. That would only work if Harvard wasn’t still around, evolving with the times (while keeping it’s supremacy) which it is.</p>
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<p>I am glad you mentioned that. I always knew that Woz was a Berkeley grad. I just thought maybe it was possible he spent some time at Stanford.</p>
<p>Now, what universities are the most improved – or most rapidly ascended? Clearly:</p>
<p>Berkeley
Stanford</p>
<p>Together in existence for less time than Harvard and clearly more than twice as good together. ; )</p>
<p>And close in this race would be MIT. Founded just a few years before Berkeley, and amazing, clearly.</p>
<p>But you would have to give Stanford the ultimate prize for coming on strongest, fastest.</p>
<p>Now, what other useless statistics can be drawn up.</p>
<p>Best university of modern times = Cambridge</p>
<p>The list of accomplishments and famous alumni goes on and on…but…</p>
<p>Best university right now = Harvard</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter whether Harvard has the best students, professors, research, etc…it has the most recognizable name in higher education and that alone qualifies it as the best in the world. “Best” ultimately comes down to public opinion doesn’t it?</p>
<p>Thus, my list would be 1) Harvard 2) Cambridge</p>
<p>Whoever said “that other place” (Oxford) doesn’t belong on the list…I’ll agree, but only because I’m bitter that most of my fellow Americans think that Ox is better than Cam.</p>
<p>“I would agree with you on cambridge if we were talking about a couple os decades ago. Nowdays Harvard in terms of research, famous professors and prestige is above cambridge.”</p>
<p>People often think that Cambridge isn’t the academic power it was a few decades ago, but since 1980 Cambridge has 22 Nobel Prize winners, with 8 since 2000. For purposes of comparison, Stanford has 23 winners and Yale has 18…ever…</p>
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<p>Your numbers are out of wack. Where did you get them?</p>
<p>Stanford’s contribution to modern technology far far exceeds Cambridge’s. Cambridge had been the best until 1970’s. Since then, the world’s academic centers have shifted to USA.</p>
<p>IIT is a group of institutions, not a single university.</p>
<p>It would be like saying the UC’s are the best.</p>
<p>"Your numbers are out of wack. Where did you get them?</p>
<p>Stanford’s contribution to modern technology far far exceeds Cambridge’s. Cambridge had been the best until 1970’s. Since then, the world’s academic centers have shifted to USA."</p>
<p>Most lists show how many universities have been associated with a prize winner and the list I was referencing did just that. Here a few links to look at. The middle one shows only prizes won by someone currently at the university…and Stanford does indeed have a more recent winner than Cambridge, but Cam has far more winners that attended the university. Also, I’d say it’s arguable that Stanford has contributed more to modern technology. First it depends on your definition of modern. I’m a biologist so I’m not going to get into a battle over technology with you, but if you can offer some examples I’d like to see where you’re coming from..</p>
<p>[Nobel</a> laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_university_affiliation]Nobel”>List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>[Nobel</a> Laureates and Universities](<a href=“http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/universities.html]Nobel”>http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/universities.html)</p>
<p>[Nobel</a> Laureates of Cambridge University](<a href=“http://www.blanchflower.org/alumni/camnobel.html]Nobel”>Nobel Laureates of the University of Cambridge)</p>
<p>^Meh, don’t listen to Datalook. Stanford’s petty inventions/innovations…what were they…the internets? google? Pfft. All child’s play. These IT-related doodlings don’t even begin to compare with the revolutionary, explosive, life-changing, nobel-prize-winning works from Cambridge. I mean, sergey brin didn’t win a nobel prize, right? nor did vint cerf?</p>
<p>"“I would agree with you on cambridge if we were talking about a couple os decades ago. Nowdays Harvard in terms of research, famous professors and prestige is above cambridge.”</p>
<p>People often think that Cambridge isn’t the academic power it was a few decades ago, but since 1980 Cambridge has 22 Nobel Prize winners, with 8 since 2000. For purposes of comparison, Stanford has 23 winners and Yale has 18…ever…"</p>
<p>It doesn´t work quite like that. University of chicago(1890 ) for example is associated with 81 Nobel Prizes´one less than Cambridge and it is much younger than cambridge…Cambridge is still a powerhouse but it doesn´t have the same prestige, output of research than decades(even centure) ago because now you have much more competion with institutions like Stanford, Harvard, Princeton , Yale, MIT. Another good example is sorbonne, my father friend went there and in his time it was one of the most respected and famous universities in the wolrd..today even my father friends says that it has lost it´s “groove”.</p>
<p>gqunit –</p>
<p>Ahhh, the Internet. At least a subject I know a little about since I’ve had teh priviledge of meeting and speaking with both Vinton Cerf and Leonard Kleinrock, plus I worked with a guy who once worked at BBN.</p>
<p>To illustrate how complex it can be for an institution to claim rights to an idea or invention, the internet owes its existence to at least three universities, the government, and a private engineering firm. You’ve got UCLA, Stanford, and MIT involved in the packet switching and the TCP/IP protocol. Kleinrock and Cerf at UCLA worked on the tip of the protocol. BBN in Boston (whose founders were MIT professors) set the guidelines under a contract from the government. The first recorded internet transmission was between a group of students at UCLA including Cerf, advised by Kleinrock (who had worked on queing theory at MIT and moved on to UCLA) at UCLA’s computer in the comp sci lab, to a computer in the comp sci lab at Stanford. So, who can claim credit? MIT? UCLA? Stanford? – the U. of Illinois for the work on the browser Mosaic? – or maybe Yale since Al Gore apparently invented the Internet :)</p>
<p>It makes no sense for any institution to claim rights to breakthroughs, enhancements, and commercialization of technology. The modern world of research is geographically collaberative between institutions, and temporally collaborative as researchers are hired from on institution to another.</p>
<p>I’m sure every breakthrough can share credit with at least 3-4 institutions, and 5-10 researchers, as the Internet example shows.</p>
<p>re Wozniak – I guess I should have said “former student”, not “graduated student”. But the more I think about it, I may have jumped to a conclusion…</p>
<p>Woz said he and Jobs were perusing the stacks in the Stanford library, and came upon the manual for the 5Ess, and from there he made the box. He then called the Vatican, asked for the Pope, and pretended to be Henry Kissinger. The guy at the Vatican didn’t fall for it.</p>
<p>I think they were at Stanford just goofing around.</p>
<p>Here’s another factor to throw into the equation:</p>
<p>School with the most Rhodes Scholars in America is a good indication of a school’s quality.</p>
<p>Harvard University 319
Yale University 215
Princeton University 187
United States Military Academy 83
Stanford University 78
United States Naval Academy 42
United States Air Force Academy 34</p>
<p>To Cwalker,</p>
<p>Here are some of the contributions from Stanford to modern technology. I don’t want to say Stanford did this alone. But Stanford has a strong tie to all of them.</p>
<p>1) microprocessor
invented by Ted Hoff, a Stanford Ph.d. at Intel. Before the invention of microprocessor, a computer was as big as a house.</p>
<p>2) internet (Stanford people dominated the internet technology)
Internet TCP/IP protocol was invented by Stanford prof Vinton Cerf and Bob Kahn and Cerf’s graduate students at Stanford.
Multiprotocol internet router was invented by Stanford engineer Bill Yeager.
Google search engine, altavista search engine were all invented by Stanford graduates.
56K modem, DSL broad band connection were invented by Stanford ph.d and fomer professors.
SUN work station was invented by Stanford graduate student Andy Bechtolsheim.
Stanford people founded GOOGLE, YAHOO, CISCO, SUN, NETSCAPE, H-P.</p>
<p>3) Artificial intelligience
Stanford professor John McCarthy coined the word “artificial intelligience”. He also invented LISP, the programming language for AI.
1st expert system was invented at Stanford.
1st computer controled robot arm was called Stanford Arm.
1st computer controled robot cart was called Stanford Cart.</p>
<p>4) Laser
Stanford prof Art schawlow was one of the laser inventors.
Stanford ph.d Theodor Maiman built the first working laser: the ruby laser.
Stanford ph.d. built the most used laser: Carbon dioxide laser.</p>
<p>5) GPS
Stanford ph.d. and professor Bradford Parkinson co-invented GPS, the global positioning system</p>
<p>6) digital music synthesis
Stanford ph.d. and prof John Chowning was called the father of digital music synthesis.</p>
<p>7) transistor
Stanford professor William shockle was one of the inventors.</p>
<p>8) Gene slicing
invented by UCSF’s Herbert Boyer and Stanford’s Cohen Stanley. They are widely called the father of bio-technology</p>
<p>9) DNA micro-array
invented by Stanford prof Patric Brown.</p>
<p>10) Oral birth control pill
invented by Stanford prof Carl Djerassi.</p>
<p>11) Radar
The foundation of radar is klystron, invented by Stanford graduates Varian brothers. Stanford professor Villard also invented ‘over the horizon radar’.</p>
<p>I believe I have enough examples now.</p>
<p>datalook – please see my comments about the internet. You got Stanford and UCLA mixed up.</p>
<p>[Vint</a> Cerf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinton_Cerf]Vint”>Vint Cerf - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>In any case this reinforces my point about deciding how great a university is by what its professors have done earlier or later in their career, but not when they were at the university in question. Cerf did his work on TCP/IP first at UCLA, then at Stanford, then with DARPA. Kleinrock did his work in queuing theory at MIT, then applied that to data transmission at UCLA, in his packet switching research. Who gets credit for Kleinrock – UCLA or MIT?</p>
<p>"datalook – please see my comments about the internet. You got Stanford and UCLA mixed up.</p>
<p>Vint Cerf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>
<p>In any case this reinforces my point about deciding how great a university is by what its professors have done earlier or later in their career, but not when they were at the university in question. Cerf did his work on TCP/IP first at UCLA, then at Stanford, then with DARPA. Kleinrock did his work in queuing theory at MIT, then applied that to data transmission at UCLA, in his packet switching research. Who gets credit for Kleinrock – UCLA or MIT?
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<p>I think both UCLA and MIT should get credirs…this is very common in any research. Sometimes a researcher start at one university than moves to another one .that happens maybe because the last has a lab , technology or resources that the first doesn´t…</p>
<p>DunninLA,</p>
<p>The basic components of today’s internet is TCP/IP protocol and packet switching. </p>
<p>Packet switching was invented by Paul Barren, a UCLA graduate. Paul Barren, Donald Davis, and Kleinrock are the 3 pioneers in packet switching. I believe Donal Davis is also a UCLA graduate. Kleinrock is a MIT ph.d. and UCLA professor. If you count the ties, UCLA should claim more credits than MIT on packet switching.</p>
<p>TCP/IP internet protocol was invented by Vinton Cerf and Bob Kahn and Cerf’s graduate students at Stanford. Cerf was a Stanford graduate, a UCLA ph.d., and a stanford professor. Stanford claims more credits on this one.</p>
<p>Vinton Cerf and Bob Kahn have won several top honors, including Turing award, the national medal of technology, and the medal of freedom. So apparently, TCP/IP is more critical to internet than packet switching.</p>