What is TRULY necessary to get into Harvard?

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<p>A few people on this website might have seen the documentary called "Ivy Dreams". It is a 2006 documentary that follows the lives of 4 Asian seniors to allow people to observe what the college application process is like for at least some of the Asian population in the United States. </p>

<p>In the documentary, there is one girl who stands out because of her acceptance to both Yale and Harvard, the only individual in the documentary to be admitted to either school. As far as the documentary shows, she only did 2 clubs at school, little community involvement, but she did get a 2360 on her SAT and very good SAT II scores, yet these scores are the only things that make her stand out, besides the possibility of her good GPA, but she admits that she did not finish High School with a 4.0 unweighted GPA. Other than that, it sounded as if she wrote a good essay and made a good impression on the interviewer.</p>

<p>This case sounds like she lacked so much of what people talk about is necessary to get into an Ivy today (numerous awards, much involvement in clubs and the community, having a passion). So I am wondering, how did she get into Harvard if she did not meet many of these requirements? Are these requirements REALLY necessary? Do colleges value scores over service?</p>

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<p>Luck</p>

<p>10 char</p>

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<p>ya those stats might have been good in '06 but right now is 6 years later…and people are smarter</p>

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<p>To the OP, I know the documentary and you are talking about Diana.
Just as the poster above me mentioned, things were very different in 2006. The college admissions process wasn’t as competitive as it is today. More people are applying to schools like Harvard, so the competition is fiercer. The college can’t accept all the brilliant kids who apply.</p>

<p>As for the title of your thread, i am also dying to know what is truly necessary. The admissions process is not meant to be easy. Knowing what is truly necessary would make it easy. That is why admission into the ivy league and many other top schools is so unpredictable.</p>

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<p>The documentary answered your question. There is no truly necessary. There is no if I do this, that and the other thing then I’ll get in. Ivy league admission to a degree is unpredictable.</p>

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<p>I got few awards other than NMF and other run-of-the-mill things, and my EC’s were good but not 20-hours a week kinds of things. I am Asian and I compensated by getting good grades, taking the hardest schedule possible (and my school offered tons of AP and advanced classes) and getting perfect SAT/AP/SAT2 scores (better than anyone else I know by virtue of volume and the highest score on all). (I almost wish I had taken the ACT too). My essays were great and interviews were good too. I got in to HPS, Caltech, Berkeley with Regents scholarship, and was rejected from MIT. (I withdrew all my other applications.)</p>

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<p>she was a top sdudent (perhaps the val or sal) in a FEEDER school. I believe that was what made her stand out.</p>

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<p>As for unpredictability, have a listen:
[Behind</a> The Scenes: How Do You Get Into Amherst? : NPR](<a href=“Behind The Scenes: How Do You Get Into Amherst? : NPR”>Behind The Scenes: How Do You Get Into Amherst? : NPR)</p>

<p>Frankly, the student who was admitted to H & Y caught readers’ attention. What was it? How will we know? Trying to discern what it is and trying to mimic it is Quixotic, IMHO. Be yourself. If you get their attn,fine. If not, don’t worry about it.</p>

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<p>Don’t forget- Harvard BUILDS a class each year . Many kinds of people go into the mix . Of the people I know at Harvard ,they show a real passion for something . Most did not have a ton of shallow ECs. They had unique interests and were often quirky .They had a passion and demonstrated involvement ,in addition to all the scores ,grades ,tests ,etc. None felt an OBSESSION to go to Harvard -they had other choices as well .</p>

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She may have something else. Is she hot?</p>

<p>Seriously, even back in 2006, many kids with such a stats but without any non-local awards (e.g., the award should be at the state level or higher) usually did not have a chance to get into such a school. I know because I know several kids from our school district who applied that years (3 kids with 2600, 2380, 2400 respectively, all with near perfect SAT 2 and AP/IB, did not get in.) And they even were not from a super competitive area like, say, the bay area in Ca.</p>

<p>One kid with good SAT (2400), likely good SAT2/IB, not so good rank (likely 16th-18th) but with state-level ECs, did get into H. He chose not to attend though as his family thought it’s not worth it – too expensive. (He is not an Asian. He is neither an URM nor an athlete.) Two of the top 3 ranked kids in the same class, with comparable SAT, were outright rejected by these 2 schools. Go figure! (Hint: ECs!)</p>

<p>Yea…being from a feeder school could help.</p>

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<p>The classic CC answer from Lowellbelle’s classic thread about how to get into Harvard:</p>

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You want to know how to get into Harvard? I go there, and I think I’m fairly ordinary as far as social skills etc. go; lemme see:</p>

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<li><p>THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE A LIFE. Do leadership. But if you’re going to have a ton of activities, DO A TON OF ACTIVITIES THAT YOU LOVE. Most of my things were music-related. “Depth, not breadth”, IS the key. All-State Band. Jazz Band. Accompanist for 6 years. Band band (haha). Rock and jazz substitute around town. Choir. Jazz choir. Everything else you can think of. Yeah, I did FBLA and stuff–and yeah, I went to state and nationals–but those were also things I loved. I wrote a nutrition book and then used it for FCCLA because it was convenient, lol. I explained that to the admissions people.</p></li>
<li><p>Don’t be afraid to promote yourself, but do NOT be arrogant. I read hope2getrice’s posts…pretty sure he was hunting for approval, and for his own sake I hope he got into Columbia. On that note, PLEASE don’t think that (a) you are worthless or (b) your life is over if you don’t get into some of these schools. When they say they “sculpt” their classes, they mean it (Harvard for sure). I didn’t get into Princeton, and I’m not bitter about it. (actually, I don’t think I would have fit so well there). Read the part about the interview for more information on “sculpting” a class. (I think I may write a book on this whole subject…hmm…;D)</p></li>
<li><p>The Essay. The OHGODI’MGOINGTODIE thing you have to write? Nah.
It’s not so bad, really. Just write about (a) what you know and (b) how something has affected your outlook on life, especially as it relates to going to “a great university, specifically _________”. I wrote about an awful soloist-accompanying experience and how I had to rely on my carefully-acquired skills to keep the piece together, and how I could utilize a similar process (if you can call it that) later in life, especially in college and my early career.
Feel free to have a teacher or someone look over it, but ONLY ALLOW THEM TO MAKE MINIMAL CHANGES…admissions officers can tell immediately whether or not a student wrote their own essay.
This should be obvious by now, but DO NOT EVER (!!!) Google an essay and copy it, even if you paraphrase it. If you run out of time or can’t think of a decent essay to write, do SOMETHING–explain why you couldn’t write an essay. If your family had a crisis going on, describe it and how it has affected you. I don’t know–draw a picture of something important to you and tell why. Creativity is always good–my essay was incredibly glib and serious at the same time. Your essay=you. NOT you=your essay. Show them who you are, not who you think you should be. You shouldn’t have to change yourself to fit in at your school.</p></li>
<li><p>Grades and stuff. I don’t know…I got 1510 SAT as a sophomore and then decided that I was sick of it (my mom had me take it as “practice”) so I never took it again. 34 ACT. 4.0 GPA, valedictorian. I can’t say anything, I guess…haha…but honestly, there WERE APs available at my 2nd school, and I didn’t take them because I was lazy and didn’t want to. (It was senior year…end of the year…and I’d already gotten in to the schools I was going to be admitted to, so I didn’t really need to, I guess). MOVING ON…</p></li>
<li><p>The interview.
Be respectful and show a genuine interest in the SCHOOL, not just the name. If you’re lucky, you will have something in common (music in my case) with your interviewer; even if you don’t, you can still ask about their experience at the school. They have seen hundreds, possibly thousands, of kids with the same scores and the same activities and the same everything–what makes you unique? Why do you want to go to that specific school? Why do you want an EDUCATION? (really think about this one–it’s very important). If you won’t fit at that school, don’t try to fit their “agenda”–you won’t be happy, even if it <em>is</em> Harvard or Yale or another Ivy. I didn’t go to Boston College because, as wonderful as it is, I didn’t fit their mold, and I refused to change myself to fit it. College is a time of discovering yourself (really), as clich</p></li>
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<p>My daughter(class of 2014), got into Harvard, Princeton & Columbia (she did not apply to Yale). She too had excellent SAT’s and SAT II scores and APs. However, she had only 2 EC’s. She was, however, very passionate about both of these, and did not do any EC’s just for the sole purpose of getting into college A or college B.
She loved what she did, and I think that the degree of her commitment to whatever she did, was what tipped the balance. I wish that I knew the magic formula…I have another one in the pipeline, who is now a freshman in HS.</p>

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<p>Aply earley…
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<p>Harvard just wants outstanding
sat and essay . I m currently a harvard student.</p>

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<p>What is NECESSARY to get in? To answer your question, you need:</p>

<p>-Excellent ACT/SAT score (34+ or solid 2200+)
-Top 1% of the class, preferably 1 or 2 (Bit relaxed at the most competitive high schools that send 10+ kids to top 20 schools a year)</p>

<p>If you have a hook (i.e being a URM, legacy applicant, recruited athlete, or child of major donor), than these standards may be considerably relaxed. </p>

<p>But if you are unhooked you absolutely need those requirements to be competitive (in MOST cases. there ARE unhooked students who get in with lower stats, but in much smaller numbers).</p>

<p>Then it comes down to your essays, recommendation letters, EC’s, etc where there is no formula on what will get you in. But you really should have the above stats.</p>

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<p>I highly disagree with all above.</p>

<p>How to REALLY get into Harvard? You need to stand out, you need to do something other CAN’T DO. Life is unfair, who told you it is? Here’s the only way that ensures your spot @ Harvard or any top universities in the world</p>

<p>HAVE A GREAT FAMILY! SIMPLE AS THAT!</p>

<p>Be one of the Bush family, be one of the Kennedy family, be one of the Clinton family, be one of the Romney family, be a part of the Pratt family or,</p>

<p>Have a ■■■■■■ dad like Donald Trump, have a dad like Rupert Murdoch or,</p>

<p>be a successful actress (who also score 2300 on her SAT) like Natalie Hershlag, Emma Watson… I can go on and on…</p>

<p>Now, only the above things can truly easily get you into Harvard. If you can’t get the above things done, I’d say you have a great chance into Harvard. Harvard consists many regular kids, who is just plain lucky to get in (they have the same resume as anyone else and aren’t special, just lucky. I’d say at least 80% of them might not get in if they apply again)</p>

<p>The requirement for admission to Harvard had changed greatly, you would see more super kid than you expect in the future.</p>

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<p>I remember seeing that video. I was fairly young, so I didn’t really understand how important of a situation and anxious experiance it really was. A couple years back, I saw it being replayed, and watched it yet again-it even stressed me out. Except for that one individual, the girl who applied to all these top Ivy’s, yet didn’t get into the one she had initially wanted. However, she got a full ride at GREAT schools, and I kept thinking, “You’re such an ungrateful little brat. I’m GLAD you didn’t get into that school-life doesn’t always work the way you want. Get over it.” I was, however, pretty pleased when the girl who got into Harvard and Yale actually declined the Harvard acceptence. She didn’t become blind to the oh so wonderful ‘It’s HARVARD’ state of mind. </p>

<p>Countless amounts of students apply to such a school, with high hopes that they will be accepted. Harvard is the top of the game, the best of the best, the big guy in the pack of small kids. But honestly…it’s not. I know an individual who went to Harvard. He was accepted in the class of 2009, and was pretty happy. However, a part of him did not even WANT to attend Harvard-he didn’t even want to attend an Ivy, but his parents convinced him. After going to Harvard for two years, he transfered out to a well know school, though it wasn’t an ivy. He disliked Harvard so much, and I remember him saying something like, “I couldn’t stand it there. Everyone dreams about Harvard, knowing it’s the best. The education is not outstanding, not worth the money I’m paying, at least. Everyone says it’s the best of the best-but guess what? It’s not.” </p>

<p>What do I think is necessary to get into Harvard? That’s not so much the question, is it? The real question is, “What ISN’T necessary to get into Harvard?” And honestly…there’s not a lot to answer that question. You basically have to be the perfect, all around student. What Harvard doesn’t know, and what people seem to turn a blind state of mind to, is that grades and test scores don’t state anything about your character. Instead of filling Harvard with the best of the best students, who know they’re the best of the best, I think it’s time to start weeding in the average.</p>

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<p>There’s no magic formula.</p>

<p>Obviously, you want to do well on standardized tests. If you can distinguish yourself by being an Olympic-caliber athlete, an accomplished scientist (author of peer-reviewed articles), a published author, a successful business entrepreneur, a gifted musical performer, a highly skilled computer programmer, etc., then that would definitely help. “Quirky” interests help, too.</p>

<p>To give you an idea about the kind of person that ends up matriculating at Harvard, I’ll profile the group of girls who lived above us in our freshman dorms. One girl was an Asian American from the Midwest who was a gifted violinist. She was recruited to Julliard, but turned it down to attend Harvard. She could play anything she heard once…on her violin. We used to listen to the radio and have her play some of the latest pop songs. Another girl was the reigning women’s champion chess player in Iceland. Another girl was an Egyptian who attended Phillips-Exeter Academy and was very involved in cultural activities. Her “thing” was bellydancing. The last roommate was an Hispanic American from the West Coast who was deeply committed to community service. All of the roommates were very bright, took multiple AP courses, and did very well on standardized tests.</p>

<p>I’d recommend not padding your resume full of activities so that you look good on paper. As others have mentioned, participate in extracurricular activities that you find interesting…and hold leadership positions in those clubs/activities. If your high school doesn’t have a club that matches your interest, get together with some like-minded students and form a new club. “Depth, not breadth” is very good advice.</p>

<p>Harvard has an impressive array of resources for its students. The admissions committee puts together a student body that will make the best use of those resources.
Applicants, who make the best use of what their schools/communities have to offer, are viewed favorably. Academically, this might mean taking several AP classes, doing the IB curriculum, or taking courses at the local college.</p>

<p>I think the wrong attitude for a high school kid to adopt is a “Harvard or bust” attitude. There is an arbitrary element to the college admission process, so don’t get your feelings hurt if a certain college doesn’t grant you an acceptance. Be yourself. Do interesting things that make you happy. You’ll end up at a great college and have a wonderful experience.</p>

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<p>I think all it takes is passion, hard-work, and commitment.
If you focus on your studies, and work towards your goals, you will be able to achieve the best you can. So if that doesn’t get you to Harvard, nothing else can.
So the <em>number</em> of ECs you do doesn’t count; however the <em>reasons</em> you did them do.
And a 2100+ SAT would also be pretty important, and you can’t go wrong with 6+ APs.</p>

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<p>You forgot one —</p>

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<li>Don’t be asian. [sorry, couldn’t resist.]</li>
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<p>The high school I pay attention to … they sent student to Harvard five years ago and then again this year. This student is of course non asian and ranked in top ten, but the valedictorian is going to cornell. This high school is with gold medal (top 500 ranked schools have gold medal in the USN ranking). Every year, the absolute majority of top ten students are asians, and every year the val is nearly always an asian american. But the kids who go to HYP are usually non asians. So, one strong condition is ‘don’t be an asian’ if you want to have a good chance to these schools [disclosure: im an asian american ;)]</p>