<p>^^in the opinion of many protestants (unless i have misunderstood something) use the bible as their source for almost all doctrine, and because of different interpretations they have all the different denominations. </p>
<p>"Wow, are you confused! You must be a scientist. "
you must be pretty ignorant because what he says is true, especially for a catholic. although u have made clear you are not so i guess that would seem wrong to you, but a large amount of doctrine has been heavily influenced by men, but the reason we accept them and the pope is that God guides them</p>
<p>“That’s good, because I want a quality math education. However, I hold a deep conviction that there are no integers below 100 or greater than 10,000, and I’m quite certain that trigonometry is blatantly false. Now please help me to become a fully-functioning mathematician within those predetermined limitations.”</p>
<p>haha, i like that. that is a good way of comparing evangelical schools</p>
<p>I actually really hate this college. Combining religion with academics is just terrible.</p>
<p>Also, my ex-girlfriend goes to this place. Maybe that’s why I hate it, but I actually visited–they’re all a bunch of closeminded peeps who’ll try to convert you to Christian.
I had some dude come up to me and debate why Christianity is better than Buddhism (my religion of interest and affiliation). </p>
<p>I can tell you for sure–this does NOT deserve to be called the Harvard of anything.</p>
<p>cross0328, I say stupid things? If you don’t understand ask for clarification.Religion is of man, Christianity is from GOD. If you need some more help understanding what it is to be a true christian, please try to seek out a bible teaching church, not the catholic church which hides the bible from its members to teach them what they want them to think, not what is real. It will take some reasearch on your part to understand this. I urge you to do it and so does GOD. He wants you to know him, not your priest who most likely has other interests, as they have proven.
Now im sure you will come back to your church’s defense on this, that is expected, but I have known some of the inner secrets of the catholic church since 1979, I new all their secrets would come out sooner or later. It’s bigger than you think just the way the catholic church likes it. I was a catholic to once, Untill GOD revealed him self to me in truth. I’ll just leave it at that. GOD BLESS YOU.</p>
<p>^Its exactly foolish close-minded people like you who scare me and exactly why I hated Wheaton when I visited. I refuse to believe in a religion that says I’ll go the hell if I’m not Christian.</p>
<p>Umm, u said u we were gonna clarify and then u ranted about something else. Ha I bet u know a lot of secrets. As a catholic I know firsthand that the bible is not hidden but actually used a great deal. I can tell what kind of christian u r now</p>
<p>Having sifted through the trollish replies, I wanted to add many thanks for the above. Wheaton is one we have been mulling over as a possibility to check out. It sounds like it may indeed be worth it, though, I’ve heard that they aren’t “big” on merit aid which is also something we would prefer. Nonetheless, we’ll probably put them on the list for a visit this spring to see if they are worth an application a year from now.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, I went to Wheaton’s web site and clicked on their student profile. It kept my interest. Six months after graduation 60% are employed and 27% are in grad school. Specifically, grad schools liking the graduates is a plus for us. Out of 620 freshmen admitted in the class of '13, 27 were NMF. It also says approx 64% receive need-based AND Non need-based scholarships and grants (they combine the two in their stats). Am I wrong in thinking that NMF would have a good chance for at least something in merit aid or would you suspect they would use the non-need based for diversity and such things?</p>
<p>Or is that a question I would need to ask on a visit? Or just have middle son apply and see what happens (assuming HE likes it after a visit, but he’s said he’d love a smaller Christian College after visits to many types with his older brother). Of course, since he’s just a rising Junior, he has to test well in Oct first, but barring something horrid there, he ought to be in contention for NMF. </p>
<p>Anyway, it’s early morning and I’m just musing (obviously). Off to work now. I think we’ll definitely keep Wheaton on our “visit in the spring” list.</p>
<p>OP, are they the “best?” I guess that depends on one’s definition of “best” and what they are looking for. They seem pretty good academically from what I see of them. GaDad and a few others obviously feel differently. You’d have to know how you fit in there based on your beliefs. Obviously, like all schools, it’s a good fit for some and not for others.</p>
<p>I actually really hate this college. Combining religion with academics is just terrible.</p>
<p>Also, my ex-girlfriend goes to this place. Maybe that’s why I hate it, but I actually visited–they’re all a bunch of closeminded peeps who’ll try to convert you to Christian.
I had some dude come up to me and debate why Christianity is better than Buddhism (my religion of interest and affiliation). </p>
<p>I can tell you for sure–this does NOT deserve to be called the Harvard of anything. </p>
<p>^John117, It has bothered me ever since you posted this, I urge you to read this link, and after you read this then if that is still your choice, I will not reply to you again.</p>
<p>As a devout evangelistic christian myself, i am shocked by what i’ve read on this thread. Colldad1, i respect your vigor for your faith, but take time to think about what you are saying. You use a lot of “Christianese” terms that could mean nothing to someone who hasn’t grown up in church. Don’t just use cliche terms to make yourself seem high and mighty. Remember that even Jesus himself was humble. Don’t draw attention to yourself by making enemies with other people, especially by assuming that your specific religion is better than the catholics. remember, catholicism came directly from the apostles. dont fool yourself.</p>
<p>But i do have to defend my top choice in colleges this year. I visited wheaton and i fell in love with it. As the only christian in my high school in nj, i found the atmosphere surprising. Their classes teach basically the same thing as other colleges, even in science classes. They do however, discuss how faith takes a role in the specific field, like how evolution factors in with Christianity. These only ever amount to discussion, as their is no consensus on the overlap themselves. </p>
<p>Wheaton is known for being both academically and religiously rigorous. They have a very good science program, in which around 85 percent of the people in pre med go to med school. However, wheaton isn’t for everyone. They aren’t designed to convert the people who go, but to educate those who are already christian. we cant expect every faith to love the school.</p>
<p>I would love to evangelize, but this is a college thread and its really not the place. Oh and yeah i guess this response is pretty late.</p>
<p>Kaboom… don’t take reviews personally. For any college mentioned on any discussion board there will be people that love and hate it. It’s good for prospective students to read the good and bad views people have IMO as those are views that are held in the “real” world. The key anyone is looking for is the fit for them. They will naturally be drawn to things that attract them and naturally pull away from things that don’t.</p>
<p>For as many that are out there biased against Wheaton there will be those biased for it (it doesn’t get its nickname of Harvard of Christian colleges for nothing). Most people will be in the middle.</p>
<p>When I’ve searched out colleges I’ve found negative views on every single one from top ranked ivies to little known state schools. It’s still helpful to read those negative reviews just as much as it is to read the glowing reports as all authors are part of real life and likely hold the similar views to others one might encounter. Christian schools are going to naturally turn off many staunch non-believers and be appealing to [at least some] Christians. 'Tis the nature of the deal.</p>
<p>Wheaton is a good school in a nice community. Just a short train ride outside Chicago. Beautiful campus. US News likes it but I don’t put much stock in those rankings. The school is very Christian with an evangelical focus. From what I’ve read and heard about, the school is academically rigorous. I visited the school with my D and it was not her cup of tea.</p>
<p>Wheaton is pretty strict. Mandatory chapel attendance is required. There are many other schools that come out of a Christian tradition where you can explore your faith where it seems like you would be presented a greater variety of viewpoints. My fear of a school like Wheaton is the “preaching to the choir” nature of a school where the student body is pretty homogenous coming in the front door.</p>
<p>As an aside, it is like throwing raw meat to a dog when a Christian school is discussed. You don’t see that level of vitriol with other types of schools. These threads devolve very quickly. Hopefully this won’t lead to a discussion about devolution.</p>
<p>While I wouldn’t argue that Wheaton students work hard, and that there is a level of academic rigor there not evident at other evangelical colleges/universities, I still question whether an institution that adheres to a specific dogma can really function as a place of academic inquiry. </p>
<p>Then again, I’m a Reed student so Wheaton would be last on my list of potential colleges. Also, old thread is old.</p>
<p>A close friend of mine, who was a NATIONAL MERIT FINALIST, chose Wheaton in Illinois over schools like Oberlin, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt and a few others I cant remember right now. I also know a recent Wheaton grad who is working on her Phd in Biology at Harvard. </p>
<p>Wheaton is a great school and it’s unfortunate that some people overlook it because of its Christian tradition. I personally would take Christian/conservative over the Liberal/Marxist/Socialist that you will find in some schools (ie. UMichigan) anyday.</p>
<p>I’m out of my league here - not knowledgeable about evangelical colleges - but I can’t get past my reaction of dismay to Wheaton’s firing of philosophy professor Joshua Hochschild. He’d been successful as a philosophy professor at Wheaton College for four years but became a Catholic on Easter 2004; the administration considered that to be unacceptable and he was fired. This was in the news when I was reading a lot about colleges because we had started looking at schools for my D. We’ve had friends who’ve attended other conservative Midwestern Christian schools, including Hope College and Calvin College in Michigan, Anderson in Indiana, Bethel in Minnesota; I think a lot of kids do well at Christian colleges. </p>
<p>To me, though, Wheaton’s intolerance of Catholicism to the extent that they had to get rid of a philosophy professor who felt he still followed the Christian faith - but decided to become a Roman Catholic - That was just too much.</p>
<p><a href=“Inside%20Higher%20Ed,%20January%202006”>quote</a> Wheaton College in Illinois last year dismissed a philosophy professor who was in otherwise great standing at the institution after he converted to become a Roman Catholic. While Wheaton is non-denominational, its beliefs are codified in a statement of faith that reflects Protestant evangelical theology. The fired professor believed he could continue to sign and abide by the statement, but college officials thought otherwise. Since the professor’s dismissal was included in an article Saturday in The Wall Street Journal, many professors and Catholics have been debating the college’s stance.
<p>SkaterGirl- I truly can’t imagine the same student applying both to Oberlin and Wheaton. That is simply odd.</p>
<p>Agree with MidwestMom. The intolerance shown by Wheaton is a complete deal-breaker.</p>
<p>No one is saying that there aren’t intelligent students- and faculty-at Wheaton. There are just other problems with the place. If it’s for you, have at it.</p>