<p>I am white, 2070 on SAT (590 CR, 790 math, 690 writing) and 30 on the ACT. I've taken SAT2 Chem and got 720, my gpa is > 4.0 and I'm shadowing a doctor over summer. Also, I'm working with a scientist to study nanoparticle physics and biochemistry. I have taken AP Chemistry and am taking AP calc bc, ap bio and ap stat next year (senior year). This mentorship project will allow me to enter NYCSEF, Siemens and INTEL. Last year I got into the finals round of NYCSEF and got 3rd place. I have been in a school play where I was part of the band (guitar). I have work experience with air conditioner repair and installation. </p>
<p>My regents scores: </p>
<p>Spanish:84</p>
<p>Physics:100</p>
<p>Chemistry:92</p>
<p>Geometry:100</p>
<p>Algebra:96</p>
<p>Living environment:96</p>
<p>Trigonometry:98</p>
<p>Global history:97</p>
<p>Us history:94</p>
<p>English:89</p>
<p>I have taken science research for 3 years.
If I choose to go to ivy, cuny, or nyu, what are the chances they'd give me a scholarship? And more importantly, what kind of scholarship might I get?</p>
<p>Most ivys dont give merit scholarships at all, and if they did you woudnt be competitive. </p>
<p>CUNY and NYU arent reporting anything in CDS for scholarships. Thats not a good sign either. </p>
<p>The good news is that your SAT is good enough to qualify for quarateed scholarships at a couple dozen schools. See the links to automatic full rude scholarships at the top of this forum. </p>
<p>The best way to get scholarships is to be flexible and apply to those schools most likely to give them to you. Again, read through the links. GL.</p>
<p>Are you a citizen or int’l?</p>
<p>Ivies don’t give merit scholarships and they’re the hardest to get into. Very low acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Ivies based their aid on determined need. </p>
<p>NYU bases their limited scholarships on need plus stats. I don’t think yours are high enough. NYU looks at need and looks at stats, and awards their few merit awards to those who have super high stats and need </p>
<p>There may be some SUNYs and CUNYs that would give you merit. </p>
<p>Are you limiting yourself to NY schools?</p>
<p>How much will your parents pay? </p>
<p>Are you low income?</p>
<p>My parents said I’ll get a loan and pay it off myself in the future. Income is roughly 125k and we have 4 children</p>
<p>SUNY’s give aid depending on your major and stats.</p>
<p>“My parents said I’ll get a loan and pay it off myself in the future.”</p>
<p>On your own, you can borrow $5,500 freshman year, $6,500 sophomore year, $7,500 junior year, and $7,500 senior year. To borrow more than that your parents will have to take out PLUS loans (in either one of their names only) and/or co-sign private loans for you. </p>
<p>Sit your parents down with last years tax returns, their current bank/brokerage/other investment information, and run the Net Price Calculators at the websites of the places that are on your current short list, and at any SUNY, CUNY, or NY state CC that is within commuting distance. That will give you a notion of what is likely to be affordable for you.</p>
<p>Is English your second language? Your SAT CR score is low relative to your Math and writing scores. If you can raise your CR score (or lift the ACT score a bit), you might have some more options for merit aid. But do read through the threads on automatic merit-based aid and competitive merit-aid at the top of this forum. If you find enough automatic money somewhere that you like, you may be done with your college search.</p>
<p>My parents said I’ll get a loan and pay it off myself in the future. Income is roughly 125k and we have 4 children</p>
<p>Your parents don’t understand the school loan process, you need to let them know the facts:</p>
<p>YOU, can only borrow:</p>
<p>frosh 5500
soph 6500
jr 7500
sr 7500</p>
<p>to borrow MORE would mean that THEY would have to cosign. Not likely if they have 3 other kids because then they’d have to cosign their loans, too. They’d be 'on the hook" for all those loans. Likely they wouldn’t qualify for all those loans. most parents won’t cosign because it’s too risky. </p>
<p>You can’t take borrowing money too lightly. There’s a reason why the student loan limits are what they are. Newish grads have a hard time paying them off. To borrow more than that is too risky.</p>
<p>Are you saying that your parents won’t pay ANYTHING towards college?</p>
<p>With their income, you’re going to have a highish EFC that need based aid won’t cover.</p>
<p>You really need to protect yourself and apply to some schools that will give you large merit awards for your stats.</p>
<p>I’m shadowing a doctor</p>
<p>Oh my…are you premed? If so, then you need to borrow as LITTLE as possible for undergrad since med school is soooo expensive.</p>
<p>I’ve been told by many people as I was growing up that good grades and hard work in my childhood years are rewarded with scholarships and what not. Apparently this isn’t true. So I’ve wasted my high school year busting my ass to crank out high grades when in the end I’m stuck with the short end of the stick.</p>
<p>You have a 1380 CR/Math, and a great GPA. There ARE schools where you will garner some good merit aid. Mom2 can fill you in on University of Alabama…that is a possibility for you, I believe. </p>
<p>Check the thread for guaranteed merit awards.</p>
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<p>Your stats are good for most schools but not for the Ivy League and comparable schools.</p>
<p>Your comment shows immaturity.</p>
<p>You will likey get good scholarships/grants if you apply to mid-tier schools.</p>
<p>“I’m stuck with the short end of the stick”</p>
<p>Well just imagine how much shorter that stick would be without your GPA and test scores.</p>
<p>*I’ve been told by many people as I was growing up that good grades and hard work in my childhood years are rewarded with scholarships and what not. Apparently this isn’t true. So I’ve wasted my high school year busting my ass to crank out high grades when in the end I’m stuck with the short end of the stick.
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<p>Many people wrongly think that scholarships are based on grades. They’re really not. and, many schools don’t give any merit scholarships. </p>
<p>As for the schools that DO give merit scholarships, this is how it usually works:</p>
<p>There is a VERY large number of students who have high GPAs.</p>
<p>There is a smaller number of students who have high TEST SCORES.</p>
<p>There is an even smaller number of students who have high TEST SCOREs and high GPAs. Those are the ones who are usually given the merit scholarships.</p>
<p>Your test scores are good, but they’re not strong for the best schools. And your CR score is lowish for a number of schools. </p>
<p>You have not “wasted your time” getting good grades. You’ve been preparing for college. It’s not as if you’re not going to college. You will be. (and even if you weren’t, what you’ve learned isn’t a waste.) </p>
<p>What were you expecting? Do you think that every high GPA student is given a free ride to the school of this choice? Do you have any idea of how many college-bound US students have high GPAs? a huge number. </p>
<p>Are you thinking that unless you go to an ivy or NYU that you won’t be successful? That is so not true.</p>
<p>it looks like you’re premed. IF so, do you realize that most doctors went to state schools for undergrad? They didn’t go to ivies or NYU.</p>
<p>I’m stuck with the short end of the stick.</p>
<p>Well, you’d be right if this were Spring of senior year and you were just finding this out and you only had acceptances to schools that you couldn’t afford…or a bunch of rejections from ivies because of your CR score or something else. </p>
<p>You’re annoyed that you won’t be handed a free ride somewhere. Well, schools believe that the family is “first in line” to pay. Your parents have a good income, but it sounds like they’re not contributing anything? If so, then the issue isn’t only that schools aren’t handing out free rides, but your parents can’t/won’t pay what schoosl would expect them to pay. </p>
<p>with your parents’ income, schools would expect them to pay about $25k or more per year for your college costs. I’m not blaming your parents for not paying that much, but that is an issue. </p>
<p>Maybe your parents have been telling you that “good grades will get you scholarships for wherever you want to go to college” because they naively thought so, and they knew that they couldn’t pay for your college costs. </p>
<p>So, now you know the truth, and thankfully it’s still early on and you can come up with a plan that will work for you.</p>
<p>As Thumper mentioned, Alabama would give you a good scholarship. if you major in something other than engineering or comp sci, then you’d get a 2/3 tuition scholarship.</p>
<p>If you major is engineering or comp sci, then you’d get a full tuition scholarship plus 2500 per year. The total would be about 110k in scholarship money. </p>
<p>My son went to Bama and now is in med school, so you don’t have to go to an ivy or NYU in order to go to med school. (I’m guessing that you’re premed since you’re shadowing doctors).</p>
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<p>No you did not waste your time. If you did not have the grades that you have, you would have far less choices. The biggest challenges that you have are the financial constraints that your parents have placed on you and their belief that you can and should be able to pay for this yourself… </p>
<p>Consider retaking the LOTE in spanish, perhaps even English so you can have a chance of getting an advanced regents with honors diploma (avg of 90 or more on all regents exam)</p>
<p>Right now you will graduate with an advanced regents diploma with Mastery in Math and Science.</p>
<p>With a family income of 125k, you are not going to be eligible for TAP or pell. Money is going to be a challenge since your parents refuse to pay. Definitely submit your SUNY application because if they refuse to pay, with a job (get one now so that you can start saving your money) and the unsub loan, you will be able to pay for CUNY working and going to school. Submit them now because both schools are rolling first come/first served.</p>
<p>Consider studying and retaking the SAT and perhaps even the ACT as your scores are on the low side for admissions to McCauley Honors or SUNY Honors @ Bing, Albany, Stony Brook and Buffalo (if you toss an application at them, also do this NOW so that your app can be read at the beginning of the cycle). Do you have your recommendations ready? If you have a copy of your transcript (you can pull one from ARIS), create a SUNY account and start submitting your transcript through SOAR (this way you will not have to wait in the GC to send anything (s/he can submit your ranking when you get back to school in 2 weeks). </p>
<p>Because the competition is now so stiff, your scores don’t make you an shoo-in and may even knock you out of the box for Hunter, Brooklyn, Queens, Baruch and City (which has a really strong engineering program). Submit your CUNY app NOW, so you will have the advantage of being early in the cycle. I would also recommend doing a essay and getting recommendation letters to support your application.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.cuny.edu/admissions/undergraduate/downloads/Admission-Profile-2012.pdf[/url]”>http://www.cuny.edu/admissions/undergraduate/downloads/Admission-Profile-2012.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href=“https://www.suny.edu/student/downloads/Pdf/Admissions_qf_stateop.pdf[/url]”>https://www.suny.edu/student/downloads/Pdf/Admissions_qf_stateop.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href=“https://www.suny.edu/student/downloads/Pdf/honors_programs.pdf[/url]”>https://www.suny.edu/student/downloads/Pdf/honors_programs.pdf</a></p>
<p>Are you taking any college now courses?</p>
<p>You can probably get admitted to NYU, but there will be no $$ coming to make a dent in the 60K price tag.</p>
<p>I agree with mom2k that you should look at Alabama and some of the schools in the top thread for automatic/guaranteed scholarships.</p>
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Your parents’ thinking may worked in the past, but not now. You should go to Youtube and do a search on “student debt”. Talk about “stuck with the short end of the stick.”</p>
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Msha, as I posted earlier, you ARE eligible for scholarships at several schools, check the scholarship topics. At Troy university, for example, you can get a full tuition scholarship. If you were under the impression that good grades let you go anywhere you want for free that belief is misguided. Your grades open up opportunities, but you need to seek them out and take advantage of them. </p>
<p>Also, make sure your parents understand that their income is driving your EFC. They need to take some financial responsibility. If you show them you are flexible and willing to do your part perhaps they will.</p>
<p>You would qualify for aid at some schools but your loans - remember you’re only allowed 5,500 your first year - would not cover the rest if your parents don’t step up.
If they don’t, or can’t pay their EFC your best bets would be schools that 1.have you in the top 25pc. applicants AND 2.are 500miles from home or more.
Many schools also do ‘preferential packaging’ meaning that your financial aid, even need based, is more scholarships than loans if you are interesting to them.</p>
<p>First, don’t wanna sound like a quitter, but SAT critical reading is not something I can improve on. I was esl last year so that may be a cause why I can’t do well. However I can speak English fluently, write essays, no Russian accent, I’m a very good English speaker and I have a great arsenal of vocabulary words under my belt and yet I can’t do better than 600 in CR.
That being said, my friend got a 1830 (1300 combined), a 28 on the ACT. He got accepted to Macaulay and sophie Davis. The only thing that he had going for him was that he published a scientific paper to a science journal. Does something like that really boost your chances like that? Because I can publish my science paper too but I choose not to because its a LONG process</p>
<p>I am taking ap biology, stat, bc calculus , and already took ap chemistry</p>