<p>Not that I'm applying at the moment, but just curious.</p>
<p>How about if it's a double major w/ 3.65?</p>
<p>Unless you’re a URM, no chance. A 180 might get you a waitlist at H, but there’s no telling whether you’d get off. I heard that high LSAT/low GPA (as far as H is concerned) splitters had quite some success getting off the waitlist in the last two cycles.</p>
<p>so the best you can hope for is CCN? like there’s no possible way to improve your application for HYS because of GPA? </p>
<p>what if you had some solid work experience and a graduate degree w/ good grades (like an MBA or something)?</p>
<p>Grad degree might give you a nice soft for YLS/SLS; it depends on the prestige. Rhodes Scholar, writing a bestseller, Marshall Scholar, all of course make you a really attractive candidate for HYS.</p>
<p>Some grad degrees might help somewhat, but an MBA isn’t going to be one of them. It would basically take a PhD, and even that would be no guarantee.</p>
<p>How would they look at upward swing in GPA, though? For instance, I had a really bad sophomore year due to extenuating circumstances beyond my control at home and at school, but from junior year on had great grades (and plan on completing dual degrees). Can a solid personal statement justifying the sophomore year more or less “make up” for that one bad year (assuming very high LSAT)?</p>
<p>Probably not, unless the story is really quite spectacular.</p>
<p>TITCR.</p>
<p>OP, I don’t know why you’re so dead set on HYS. Get the best LSAT score you can get, and get into the best law school you can get into with your credentials. Nothing at HYS is really shutout at non-HYS (aspiring legal academics could go to UChicago or NYU; public interest dudes can go to Michigan, Boalt, or NYU; biglaw can go to CLS, NYU, Penn, etc.). Move on.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s just me, but I would say, if HYS are reeeaaalllyyy your dream schools it’s at least worth applying with a 3.65. I don’t think that’s so low that the admissions people are going to just throw your application in the trash, especially if you have a solid LSAT score, good softs, and great letters of recommendation. If you don’t have those other things, however, you might want to consider putting the money you would’ve spent on those applications towards other things (ugh…student loans!)</p>
<p>I think that your chances may be better than the others are letting on, depending on your soft factors, as well as how high your LSAT is. Here are some probabilities from Lawschoolpredictor.com (I know it isn’t completely reliable, but it is a good launching point to figure out your chances).</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-content/uploads/Law-School-Predictor-Full-Time-Programs.htm[/url]”>http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-content/uploads/Law-School-Predictor-Full-Time-Programs.htm</a></p>
<p>With a 180 you’re in at HLS.</p>
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<p>With a 179 you’re a “strong consider” at HLS.</p>
<p>With a 178 you’re still a strong consider, and it doesn’t say “weak consider” until a 173, and it doesn’t say rejected until a 171. So I think it depends on your actual LSAT, as well as any soft factors.</p>
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<p>Oh yes, it’s totally worth it to apply. I had a higher GPA, but my LSAT was pretty much below their traditional levels of acceptance for non-URMs, and I still applied. I was the first to be rejected, but I don’t regret my decision in the least.</p>
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<p>I’ll put my foot down on this. No way anyone is even close to accepted at HLS with a 3.6 and anything lower than a 177. Use lawschoolnumbers, whatever, to prove this. I’ve been involved in four admissions cycles now (either through my own applications or my friends), and I know the patterns. The words “strong consider,” etc. are very vague terms that give one the hope of success, but that hope is baseless.</p>
<p>This really makes me question the LSP engine. Take a look at LSN, and you’ll see for yourself what the relative frequencies are.</p>
<p>[LSN</a> :: Welcome to LawSchoolNumbers.com](<a href=“http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com%5DLSN”>http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com)</p>
<p>eh, whatever. it’s actually not that big of a deal now that I think of it and perhaps i overreacted before. I would be perfectly content with a T6 acceptance!</p>
<p>LSP is a much better resource for likelihood than law school numbers. That being said I think flowerhead is right (surprisingly) that nothing below a 177 stands a chance at all.</p>
<p>I don’t know anything about LSP’s underlying engine, but if it’s telling you that a 3.6/174 will be “strongly considered” at Harvard, it’s wrong. So severely wrong, in fact, that it makes me question the entire engine.</p>
<p>You know, I might have to eat my words from post #16. Let me think about it for a while.</p>
<p>No I think you make a good point for the most part. I agree a 3.6/174 should not be a strong consider…but on the whole, my knowledge of lsp and its reported accuracy thus far leads me to believe it is the best prediction tool, but this specific example should be considered an error in my opinion</p>
<p>Fair enough. I was just browsing LSN and didn’t see hardly any 3.6’s getting admitted, so I’ll stand by my post #16.</p>
<p>ok, ok, I don’t usually get on here, but I happened on this thread. I know a non-URM with 3.6 and 171 admitted to Stanford (not waitlist), so it is possible. This person had very good softs.
Obviously not the norm, but write a knockout essay and there may be hope.</p>