<p>Hey, ND emphasizes EA candidates to be on top of their academic game before applying. I am curious as to what percentage of EA candidates get rejected, not deferred?</p>
<p>i think rejection during EA is like....25%?</p>
<p>I really am not positive but I don't think it is that high just mainly because most people heed the warnings of admissions and do not apply EA unless they are very strong applicants. However, there are a special few who just cannot wait (like me when I applied) who get rejected EA. It is a pretty uncommon occurence, however, because they will usually defer you if you are close. Oh well, that is why they have transfer admission, lol :)</p>
<p>M, we like to get into this discussion, don't we? I do not think you were one of a special few - I think you were one of about 25%. ND admissions has said over and over that they only reject EA applicants who would clearly not be admissable in the RA process, as well. Anyone who might be competitive they defer to give them a shot at RA. </p>
<p>I know several people who applied EA and were rejected, and I can tell you by their stats that they were not in the RA acceptance range, either. </p>
<p>BTW, thanks for the kind email. The next several months will be crazy.</p>
<p>I am just very careful when it comes to EA just because even though they say that you still are, I believe, going up against stiffer competition which is shown by the acceptance rate. It isn't that I have anything against EA or don't want people to apply since I met a not so happy fate, but I just am very cautious recommending it because I don't want to put anyone at a disadvantage. I think you are right, I think that if you don't get in EA you wouldn't have RD either, but since they warn those students who aren't up there to go RD, I usually recommend the same just to be absolutely sure that I don't put someone at a disadvantage. If you just can't wait or just have to try it like me, then try it, but I just don't want to hurt anyone's chances at their ND dreams, you know? That is why I am stuck on EA; I just am not positive so I go with what the admissions counselors say on it regardless of what should happen in theory.</p>
<p>irish,</p>
<p>I do not understand why it would put someone at a disadvantage. EA is non-binding. If you are competitive you may get in and find out early.</p>
<p>no he means disadvantage if they dont meet standards....meaning at that time they compare you at diff standards...if u applied RD they might be more lenient in their thinking...but during EA they could possibly only see a big diff in stats...........if i am interpreting irish correctly</p>
<p>Kind of. The way I look at it there is probably a reason admissions asks you not to apply EA unless you are an exceptional applicant and there must be a reason for that because they really empasize it. I also think that it is possible that it could rub some admins the wrong way if you do not apply with the stats they are looking for because it shows that you weren't listening to what they were saying.</p>
<p>That being said, they also say that applying EA will not hurt you if you have qualifications that will get you into ND, you just may get deferred. I also have been known to be a bit sour grapes on this issue (I admit) since I was rejected EA and had to transfer in. Because of that, be forewarned of my bias.</p>
<p>If you have excellent qualifications then I think there is no reason not to apply EA. However, if admissions tells you not to apply EA because your stats are not strong enough, even if there technically no disadvantage, I just can't justify not listening to them because they are the ones who will make the decisions. That is just the way I look at it and be forewarned that plenty view it differently.</p>
<p>So, getting back to your question, I am only saying you should not apply EA if you are one of those that admissions tells not to apply EA when you ask them about it, and they will tell you if you ask and give them your stats. I just cannot see a reason to go against admissions on that one. If they say you should apply EA, however, I THINK YOU SHOULD GO FOR IT (not yelling, just stressing).</p>
<p>I think you need to evaluate it for yourself. I mean I know a lot of my classmates are applying EA, but if I can show them the work I'm capable of after a semester, with a very difficult courseload, they will be a lot more likely to admit me than someone with identical stats who applied EA and who they didn't get to see this in. For me, EA was stupid. And since I was originally applying EA the good thing is my application is finnished.</p>
<p>M, I think you're right about a lot of this - especially if ND advises you to apply in the spring for RD, then do so - there's a reason they're saying that.</p>
<p>I think the acceptance stats of EA would actually bear out that there is an advantage of applying EA if your stats are anywhere near their EA range. </p>
<p>Also - I think some here are making the erroneous assumption that <em>all</em> the mostly highly qualified kids are applying EA. Not true - your application will be compared against extremely strong applications in RD as well. </p>
<p>Bottom line - admissions can't have everybody applying EA - they couldn't possibly get the workload done in one month in November and December. It's common sense that an underlying reason for that advice to apply in the spring is to ease their November load - they might look at it as if you're going to get denied, it's better for them if you're denied in the spring when they have time to get through all the apps, rather than in November when they're trying to look only at admissable students. </p>
<p>My advice still stands: if your stats are in their ADMITTED STUDENTS range (not just their advised EA range), you should apply EA. The worst thing that could happen is you'd be denied. But I really don't think your fate weighs at all on when you apply. If you have a remote chance, you'll be deferred.</p>
<p>what is this "ADMITTED STUDENTS" range you describe for EA?</p>
<p>We may be able to help you guess as to that given your stats but just those who have strong enough records to get into ND anyways is what I believe she is saying.</p>
<p>I really wish we could just throw some applications at ND, both EA and RD, and see what happens to them to figure this out. However, what I believe and I think for the most part Docmom will agree (not completely, however) is that if you have good enough stats to get into ND it probably doesn't matter when you apply, honestly. I am just a very cautious person now so I would ask ND admissions if I should apply EA or not and not do it if they say no (if I had it all to do over again) but I will be honest in the fact that my stats just weren't there the first time around. Doesn't matter, I still am going to graduate on time (or early) with a ND degree.</p>
<p>So, what are we saying? I know there are a couple of different views on EA and it may be confusing, but I think the consensus is that if you are strong enough to get into ND it really doesn't matter when you apply. I personally don't think EA will give you a boost and Docmom does, but I don't think it is going to be a significant one if there is a boost. If you have strong stats, based on what ND says, you really have no reason not to apply EA because they will defer you if they think that you should be in the regular pool. The only real reason I caution against it is just because they don't tell everyone to apply EA but that may be to save themselves trouble in November and December. Could you slightly anger an admissions officer for applying EA when you shouldn't have, possibly if it has been a bad day, probably not likely.</p>
<p>I know I am overly cautious with it, so know that and take my opinion with a grain of salt. If you feel that you can get into ND and you are one of these people that we are telling you that we think you are in then you should not have a problem with EA.</p>