<p>I'm sure that, at some point in all your lives, you saw someone who you perceived as a genius unseated by some test or subject (Seems like it's normally Physics), or maybe you've heard someone remark "No, he/she isn't really that smart, he/she just works hard," or maybe that kid who would slack off all the time in class then get ridiculously high test scores (someone who graduated my freshman year was a C student but got a 2400). Anyway, it seems like these hard-workers find their way into prestigious universities much more frequently than the arrogant, lazy geniuses. When I first heard this, I was mildly perturbed, because I thought it was pretty unfair that the "smartest" people weren't accepted to the best colleges (I'm pretty biased though). So I figure that there must be a decent amount of geniuses who managed to not let their intelligence make them lazy and maintained their 4.0s throughout high school. Where would these geniuses congregate? My guess would be CalTech or maybe MIT, what do you guys think? Perhaps a lesser-known school.......</p>
<p>arrogant, lazy geniuses do not find their way into prestigious universities at all… even if someone could get top grades with the most course rigor, they’ld still have to pitch in a lot of effort for their ECs</p>
<p>Kent State University</p>
<p>Yeah. that’s what I was thinking. Kent State.</p>
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<p>There are enough smart non-lazy students that the smart lazy ones would be crowded out of the highly selective colleges by the smart non-lazy ones.</p>
<p>Of course, there are still far more smart non-lazy students than can fit in the highly selective colleges. Where do the rest end up? Probably places like state flagships and private schools that are the next level down in selectivity.</p>
<p>Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Chicago, Hopkins, Rice, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore</p>
<p>Top 0.01% at some public schools deserve mention</p>
<p>According to Luminosity, the top three are MIT, Harvard, and Stanford.</p>
<p><a href=“http://blog.lumosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lumositys-Smartest-Colleges.pdf[/url]”>http://blog.lumosity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Lumositys-Smartest-Colleges.pdf</a></p>
<p>I dont trust Lumosity’s rankings. It makes no sense that harvard, mit, stanford, northwestern and yale are ranked top 5 while PRINCETON is ranked 39th…</p>
<p>True, no sense to that</p>
<p>Luminosity has more to do with how dedicated you are to practicing video games that may impact self perception than anything related to actually intelligence, nor does it have much to do with the original poster’s question about “arrogant, lazy geniuses.” </p>
<p>The admissions process for “arrogant, lazy geniuses” is similar to other students. The student may be the most brilliant person in his state, but if he doesn’t have anything to show for it aside from a high SAT score, it won’t be enough to get into a highly competitive university. However, if the student was passionate about something and used a combination of his brilliance and a good amount of time/effort to excel in that area at a national level, then it could easily be enough to overlook other areas of his application. Examples include math/science Olympiad or creating an extremely successful and valuable app or website. However, if he is universally lazy, then he probably wouldn’t do any of these things, and likely wouldn’t bother applying to a selective college.</p>
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Um, what?</p>
<p>What good would it do for a college to admit someone who hasn’t demonstrated the study skills and work ethic necessary to keep up with harder work? What good would it do for a college to admit someone likely to do poorly and therefore likely to drop out, retake classes, occupy counselors’ time, or incur other similar costs to the school?</p>
<p>“What school has the “smartest” people?”</p>
<p>I really don’t think that we should go there, given that there is no solid way to test the intelligence of the student bodies of universities. If I were forced to guess, I would probably go with some place like Harvard, but getting accepted there is mostly hard work from what I can see. There are all kinds of problems even if we do this, because we could go with MIT if we think that STEM students are smarter than liberal arts students, but are they? How are we defining “smart?”</p>
<p>Who the F*@& cares if someone is a lazy genius? It’s only the lazy part the matters, not the genius part. Putting the 2 words together makes it sound like you give weight to the “genius” part of it. Why? Output, results, effort, ideas that are pursued…that is what gets rewarded and recognized in our society. Being a “genius” does not affect who or who loves you or cares for you. So, why does this word matter so much? It think this label is bad for our elementary-school kids and reduces intrinsic motivation rather than increases it. Let’s vow to remove “genius” from our vocabularies until “after the fact,” (i.e. post-mortum) meaning after some genius ideas or results have come about rather than labeling our 7 year olds as “genius.”</p>
<p>My bet is on CalTech, or Carnegie Mellon’s CS students.</p>
<p>And I say this as an MIT alum. Fortunately this forum is anonymous. ;-)</p>
<p>^Or UIUC’s CS students. </p>
<p>I know someone who lets you know he’s an MIT graduate (about 50 years ago) within 5 minutes of meeting him. He doesn’t seem any smarter than the rest of my smart friends.</p>
<p>the “smartest” people don’t go to college or dropout.</p>
<p>Not all brilliant kids choose the big name schools, so it is really difficult to answer this question.</p>
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<p>I don’t think you understand the power of a the genius mind. Effort as known by the average person does not apply to them. They learn almost through osmosis, seeing things so clearly that very little effort is required. I’d guess that the prestigious schools are full of them. But I don’t consider them lazy. They are instead just very quick in thought and understanding. What takes you six hours likely would take them 20 minutes. Is this lazy? No just fast and gifted.</p>