<p>I want to be a doctor, but I am afraid I might have a change of heart. What major is good for employment that doesn't require graduate school?</p>
<p>Engineering or Computer Science. </p>
<p>Although those have very uncertain futures because of outsourcing.</p>
<p>^it really depends on the type of engineering, and CS is one I would be cautious with. but to continue:</p>
<p>economics, accounting, journalism, anything business related, that's all I can think of off the top of my head, though I'm sure there are like a ton more</p>
<p>Accounting, computer science,finance, education, forensic chemistry, criminology and many more.</p>
<p>Nursing and Pharmacy- guaranteed lifetime employment in the city of your chosing.</p>
<p>pharmacy is at LEAST 6 years (called 0-6 entry) or usually 8 years (4 yrs. bachelor's + 4 years. pharmD. So that might be more schooling than someone looking for no grad school wants in either case</p>
<p>Business is also another one that you should prolly do grad for...</p>
<p>I diagree. The MBA isn't necesary to get a job in that field at all. It's something that is best saved for a few years of work experience anyways :)</p>
<p>I agree that engineering and accounting are good choices (if you like that sort of thing). Nursing is a sure thing. For education, you would need to pick something other than elementary education. Think sciences or math or foreign language or special education. Those are areas where you would likely find a teaching job easily after undergrad school. BUT be alerted that in most states you are required to complete a masters degree within a short number of years to remain certified.</p>
<p>MBA are useless and so are most undergrad business degrees. All you need is basic math and some econ classes and your ready for the business world.</p>
<p>You may be ready but the vast majority of decent jobs with larger firms will go to business majors right out of college. The only real exception is the Ivy-Top 10 LAC grad who will often be recruited by Ibanks and consulting firms. However these jobs are also so demanding many move out of them in a few years.</p>
<p>I've heard from multiple people that it's better to go into something more sepecific in business. Instead of just Business, it's better to do finance, economics, or Finance and such. Is that true?</p>
<p>the OP misses a distinction between college degrees. Some are vocational in nature -- accounting, engineering, nursing, etc. People with these degrees are prepared for jobs in the field without grad school.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there are liberal-arts degrees. History, poli-sci, archeology, you name it. People with these majors CAN get good jobs too, but it takes more than just the degree. Good grades and involvement in leadership activities is important, but the KEY that is needed for grads in these majors are internships. They set you apart from the 1000's of other kids with the same degree, give you experience in the field, and usually lead to offers from the companies where you had internships. Other companies are impressed by the internships and take a much closer look at you.</p>
<p>People with liberal-arts degrees are not doomed to flipping burgers. Most people in management positions came up from these majors. One issue when answering questions like the OP asked is that most HS students are just not yet informed about all the jobs that are out there. They can name only a dozen or two jobs, so they have no idea of how people enter career fields they don't even know exist. This narrowing of focus means kids talk about the same few jobs as if that's all there is -- lawyer, teacher, accountant, doctor, investment banker, etc.</p>
<p>I would suggest the OP read 2 books. The first is "Major in Success" and explains with many stories how college students can discover their interests and prepare for jobs pursuing those interests while in college. The second book is the bible of the job-hunter, "What Color is Your Parachute". This book also helps you discover what your interests are and how to determine where out in the working world you can do it.</p>
<p>it does depend on who you are- ( by that I mean initiative) and what you majored in- than where you went to school.
Ex- one woman graduated with summa cum laude/Phi beta Kappa from Colgate- but in english/Classics- couldn't get into grad school- cant find a job.
Two men graduated from colorado state schools, one from Boulder- one from Colorado springs- first in aeronautical engineering, second in electrical engineering, both started jobs that paid more than $60,000 to start.</p>
<p>WAIT WAIT WAIT! The bachelors is not a pre-professional degree for working as a bachelor?!?!</p>
<p>A degree that is good for employment is the one that you get. If you are looking for average starting salary, engineers are probably the leaders on the list, with particular subfields making somewhere around 150,000 right out of school, to much less (but very high for a 4-5 year degree (40-50k)) for others.</p>
<p>emeraldkity4, the woman could get many jobs, but probably can't find one she wants, and could probably go to various grad schools, but she didn't want to go to them because of cost or lack of prestige or quality or something. There are plenty of low ranked masters programs and low paying jobs in the world, so it is not as if she cannot get into grad school or get a job- she may not like her prospects because they do not match her interests or are not high enough in pay for her or many other reasons.</p>
<p>Actually while I didn't see her complete list- she wasn't accepted to any of the schools that she applied, I agree that she probably didn't apply to schools where she had a decent shot at being admitted, because of perceived lack of prestige- but considering that Colgate was the only college she was admitted to, it seems disingenous to look at the same schools for grad school, that turned her down for college.
She also has been applying to many companies for work, as she has now been out of school for 5 months and needs to pay back her loans- however the only place she has experience is at Mervyns and she is trying to find anything else
I do admit however that many students will not be at such a disadvantage because they find internships or related ways to get experience while they are in school.</p>
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<p>Wait, I'm not following. What do you mean by this?</p>
<p>what I meant was that she applied to 6 schools ( not counting local school that didn't require essay that she never intended to attend anyway)
5 were Ivies- & the 6th was Colgate.
So she basically only had the choice of Colgate to attend college after high school, unless she waited a year and reapplied.
For graduate school, she again applied only to very competitive schools- Ivies and some prestigous state programs. Grad school is even more competitive in some fields than first applying to college- and students need an idea of where they have the best shot.
The students that I know that got into the graduate schools they wanted, already had been communicating with professors at the university regarding research they were interested in, or had off campus, study abroad experience that made them more interesting and confident that graduate school was the next step.
If you are applying to graduate school just because you don't know what else to do, and because you want your loans deffered, don't just apply to UPenn and Yale because they also might have someone with more ideas about what they want to do when they get there</p>
<p>I agree with what yo ujust said, but not with your original statement. If one does well at a lower-regarded school, why not go to the best programs in the world? Colgate sends its top students to top programs in all fields, so how does it not make sense that she go to the best programs? Sure, only applying to top programs does not make sense if you want to be admitted to at least one program, but if you do well as an undergraduate, why not go to the best schools, even if they turned you down when you applied to study as an undergrad?</p>
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Ex- one woman graduated with summa cum laude/Phi beta Kappa from Colgate- but in english/Classics- couldn't get into grad school- cant find a job.
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Like I said earlier, a liberal-arts degree in itself is not going to stand out enough from the crowd to land you a job. What else did this woman do in college to prepare for a career? Did she work with the career center? Take part in career-related clubs? Most importantly, get an internship or coop position?</p>
<p>Simply graduating with a high GPA is not enough to get a job. To give a counter-example to your first post about major mattering more than school, a coworker's son went to San Diego State (a school nowhere near the caliber of Colgate or any UC). Son got an internship in school and was the only one out of several of his friends to have a job offer in hand upon graduating (actually, 3 offers).</p>