<p>Well, we did protest the B of A occupiers a couple weeks ago in cocktail attire. It was fun, we got silly-stringed, but not much attention. There were like 20 of us.</p>
<p>@singh2010 Not a single one of my humanities friends have actively supported or participated in a protest. In fact, the people who supported the protests on my facebook were IB/CNR/CS people. So perhaps we have a different sampling of students and have gotten different impressions.</p>
<p>However, just because I’ve observed a phenomenon doesn’t mean I’m going to say that science/engineering people are a certain way. Individuals make choices, not their majors. </p>
<p>If I said something like “People who eat apples are ■■■■■■■■” because 3 people I saw eating apples were all stupid and none of the people who I didn’t see eating apples were not stupid, I would be wrong. </p>
<p>I’m not arguing for the protestors, but these forums have a lot of discrimination and blanket statements against groups of people based on their majors these days. And I just wanted to speak out against it.</p>
<p>There was a counter protest awhile back where some idiots dressed up in suits and complained about their wealth chanting “save the 1%.” </p>
<p>I don’t necessarily think much will change with them protesting and I’m not really into the entire occupy movement on the whole. What I will say is if they do raise tuition anymore I’ll have to drop out of college. I’m a junior transfer, I worked 40+ hours for two years while I went a community college before I transferred. This is on top of academics/clubs so I basically had no life. My parents are divorced and both are school teachers, neither can lend me support and, in fact, they can barely make ends meat for themselves. The only financial aid I received was taken away from me, in part because the state is out of money. (I had a cal grant A which was taken away from me because California legislators changed the requirements last year and I no longer qualified).</p>
<p>While I might find their protests a bit annoying, and while I’m not sure if anything will really change or if they’ll be able to stop the 81% increase in tuition, I do appreciate what they are fighting for, especially because what they are fighting may eventually impact my life. I’m sure some of you get pretty sweet financial aid packages, or that your families are pretty well off, but not all of us are so lucky.</p>
<p>As for the GSI thing, I’m pretty sure that’s part of their union. If their union decides to strike those days they are bound by their obligations, as annoying as that is. (Like Keely I’m an English major and my GSI keeps pushing back/cutting office hours). If you find it a huge problem I would just e-mail your GSI, odds are they’ll make appointments that are convenient with you. If not complain to your professor and they should be able to help you out.</p>
<p>What the hell was the movement even about yesterday? Honestly. We went from budget to 99% to something else.</p>
<p>Poor chancellor, he’s trying so hard with the open communication. This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read:</p>
<p>[Caliber</a> Magazine | Rohit Rants: Open Letter to the Chancellor](<a href=“http://calibermag.org/articles/rohit-rants-open-letter-to-the-chancellor/]Caliber”>http://calibermag.org/articles/rohit-rants-open-letter-to-the-chancellor/)</p>
<p>I seriously want to defriend everyone on my Facebook who posts obnoxious crap like this.</p>
<p>Instead of the Occupy Cal people sitting down to talk to University officials, I think they need to talk to non-Occupy people first. </p>
<p>Why is the Chancellor going to talk to a student body that’s completely divided? The Occupy Cal students and the non-Occupy Cal Berkeley students have to get together and think of something together that does NOT make everyone look totally dumb. ALL students are against 81% tuition hikes, but people have a lot of differing opinions about how this is being handled by the student body. Just sayin’.</p>
<p>And that is the main problem with the Occupy movement, it lacks leadership and has kind of branched off in several directions. You have people angry at tuition hikes, banks/foreclosures, 99%/1%.</p>
<p>Batman, whether directly or indirectly, brings up a good point. All the chalk advertisements we saw for the past month have been against 81% tuition hikes, yet at the rally they keep chanting 99% and holding up their angry bank signs. Sure it’s all loosely related, but if they had more direction and focus, well it would be more productive.</p>
<p>It seems that the Occupy Berkeley people have too much free time on their hands. Actually that’s quite surprising… since I’m always freaking busy studying.</p>
<p>You are not gonna change a thing… so get a life.</p>
<p>It’s not that they won’t change a thing. It’s the way they’re going about it won’t bring about a change. I mean, if you wanna make a point about the 81% hike, then, like people have already mentioned, you have to get a good majority of the students involved and educated about the problem. Imagine if 90-95% of the students flooded Sproul for just a few days. That would make a point. This one day ******** doesn’t do much other than garner an attention that is waning because so many other cities are “occupying.”</p>
<p>Ugh I hate the fee increase. Its getting closer and closer to communism. I get 0 financial aid and am paying for the tuition for some other kid.</p>
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<p>what adds insult to injury is that a good portion of those same people we’re subsidizing to get an EDUCATION at the best public school in the world waste their time protesting. it’s really a headache. we all hate the tuition hikes, but so what? what is protesting sproul and getting your a*s handed to you by ucpd going to do? if sproul had the power to change ANYTHING don’t you think they would have? ■■■.</p>
<p>[Occupy</a> U.C. Berkeley - The Colbert Report - 2011-10-11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central](<a href=“The Colbert Report - TV Series | Comedy Central US”>The Colbert Report - TV Series | Comedy Central US)</p>
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<p>Lots of chemistry, physics,math, and engineering majors mock the introductory memorizing methodology or the perception of this in introductory biology courses and don’t consider them a science (the whole Doctors just memorize and Engineers just apply while the chemists, mathematicians and physicists actually do the real innovation/discovery).</p>
<p>^I don’t agree with that statement I just made but I’ve heard it said by many of my peers. And yes just like people streotyping the protesters as primarily humanities without doing an actual Simple random survey, the thing I said said above is no different.</p>
<p>But why do these things exist? The answer to that is the same answer as to why streotypes exists for any grouping of people. And I don’t know the answer to that question or rather what i think might be the answer is probably wrong, thus I look forwarding to someone on this thread answering that question.</p>
<p>Oh mathematicians don’t actually discover anything. Not at all. Mathematics has absolutely no connection to the natural world. The natural world can be represented in mathematical structures, but mathematics is a part of humanities, it is the study of purely man made structures, and a mathematician is free to create any such structure he can imagine. Unlike science, the mathematics done five hundred years ago, or even two thousand years ago, is completely valid. Science is under constant revision. Try not to lump mathematics together with the sciences.</p>
<p>^that’s 100% true</p>
<p>But personally most scientists who aren’t good at using Mathematics to prove their assertions imo aren’t that good scientists since how can I believe them if they can’t prove their assertion is logically correct.</p>
<p>Many of the famous physics and chemistry theorems and laws were by people considered to be very good at mathematics (Maxwell, Gauss, etc.) since a lot of those theorems and laws are also proven mathematically</p>
<p>PS: Also the fact that people keep trying to defend their majors and separate it from others (and caiacs claim is completely valid imo) is a big reason for everyone bashing on other people’s majors. sigh</p>
<p>Ugh I hate the fee increase. Its getting closer and closer to communism. I get 0 financial aid and am paying for the tuition for some other kid. >>></p>
<p>Actually you are not paying for other students (since Berkeley does not offer need-base scholarships like Harvard or Stanford does) but paying for the police men who make more money than professors. That’s ridiculous.</p>
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<p>every taxpayer in california subsidizes finaid students at cal (a public university, if you recall). including the crazy ones invoking extra police activity. not to mention the illegal ones on finaid (if you [generalwisdom] really want to make comparisons to unfairness and “communism”). </p>
<p>okay, enough, before i get booed off by the 1% of the Cal student body who care about the protests.</p>
<p>screw the moron protesters and screw the idiots who don’t understand that their actions have consequences. What’s the cause BTW (raising awareness of the 1% isn’t legitimate reason for costing the school this much money)?</p>
<p>Uhhhh guys… I don’t think you guys understand what I mean when I say “paying other student’s tuiton”.</p>
<p>Look at it from my point of view: The amount I pay is going to increase greatly in the upcoming years whereas some other student gets financial aid and his tuition either remains the same or actually gets lower! My increased tuition basically becomes another student’s financial aid. If that isn’t the socialist distribution of wealth, tell me what is!</p>
<p>so you’d rather be an intellectual among a group of barbarians than shell out some $$$ to help them become more educated because they were born into unfortunate backgrounds. In a true idealistic socialist society, education would be subsidized for all.</p>