<p>kyledavid80, </p>
<p>well, i thought you meant on a 1600 scale. but i second your main point.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as "easiest" Ivy to get into. I have known many students who have been admitted into Penn and Brown and who were turned down by Cornell. By and large, HYP are the most selective and the remaining 5 Ivies are roughly equally selective, particularly when comparing apples to apples. Obviously, it is easier to get into Cornell's Hotel or Ag schools, but Cornell CAS and Engineering are as selective as the rest of the Ivies.</p>
<p>As long as we're breaking down schools by individual undergraduate components, Wharton's selectivity now approaches that of HYP. Penn doesn't publish stats for the individual schools, but circumstantial evidence (including statements reportedly made by Wharton officials and the application/acceptance numbers that have been released) indicates that Wharton's overall acceptance rate is now somewhere in the 9-11% range.</p>
<p>Columbia College 8.96%
Harvard 8.97%
Princeton 9.46%
Yale 9.63%
Brown 13.53%
Dartmouth 15.27%
Columbia Fu Foundation 17%
Penn CAS 18%
Cornell 20.50%</p>
<p>Wharton has only ~2000-3000 applicants/ year.</p>
<p>^ Actually, Wharton has 5,000-6000 applicants per year, of which 500-600 are accepted.</p>
<p>And the College's admit rate is pretty close to the overall Penn admit rate, which was 16% this year. Nursing and SEAS have somewhat higher admit rates.</p>
<p>The acceptance rate at Cornell CAS is 17%. The freshman class in Cornell CAS is about the same size as all of Dartmouth and the SATs are almost as high as Dartmouth.</p>
<p>The Cornell freshman class is twice the size of the Harvard freshman class. The top half of the Cornell freshman class is more selective than the Harvard freshman class.</p>
<p>Should we not define the term "selectivity" before making a broad statement such as, "The top half of the Cornell freshman class is more selective than the Harvard freshman class?"</p>
<p>Should we define selectivity in the way the US News does, and base it on acceptance rates, percentage of 10% rank, and finally SAT scores? Accordingly, what numbers do we have to compare the 50% of Cornell to the entire class of Harvard? </p>
<p>Further, even if it were true that the top 50% of Cornell has higher admissions' statistics than the entire class of Harvard, why would that be relevant? Is this an attempt to establish that Cornell does have MORE competitive students than Harvard? </p>
<p>Fwiw, I believe that it might be interesting to roll back the clock a bit and consider the admissions' number before the use of the Common Application at Cornell added considerably to the number of frivolous applications. Also, I believe that the real story is still told by analyzing the EARLY rounds, and especially by comparing the statistics at schools that use restrictive early admissions. </p>
<p>Based on a closer analysis of the 2000-2005 (or prior) it would require a lot of data manipulation to deny that the easiest school to "get in" among all Ivies is Cornell, and this by a HUGE margin. While the margin has eroded because of the Common Application, this remains true today. Toss an early application in the direction of Cornell and your chances are still well above 35%. While this is no longer in the vicinity of 50%, it still compares very favorably to the admission rates at MIT (11%) and Stanford (16%) and the average of 26% for the entire Ivy League. </p>
<p>Wasn't this the OP question?</p>
<p>I think what some posters are trying to say is that Cornell, unlike many other top schools, is comprised of a number of different colleges, many of them very specialized. The average SAT score at the Hotel Schol is irrelevant if you are applying for the bio major in CAS. </p>
<p>Therefore, some posters have suggested simply comparing Cornell's liberal arts college (CAS) to other Ivies because that's what bears the most resemblance. Within that comparison, CAS is just about as competitive as some of the other lower Ivies.</p>
<p>Obviously, if your intention is to go to ILR or Hotel or the Arch school, then such a comparison is moot because the other Ivies don't have equivalent schools.</p>
<p>Who is more beautiful? Charlize Theron, Jessica Alba, or Katie Holmes? Okay, I guess Cornell is the Katie Holmes of the Ivies.</p>
<p>Well, what constitutes easiness to get into a college?
In this case, I think we are talking about acceptance rates, and this is a numerical and factual matter; not one of opinion. According to this statement, Cornell would be the easiest Ivy League school to be accepted into.</p>
<p>kyledavid, I don't see how you can ask a question with an erroneous premise, have someone point that out to you and your response be 'precisely'. I, too was thinking of the SAT on only a math + verbal basis. </p>
<p>I agree that if you're applying to CAS at Cornell that the acceptance rate at the hotel school or IRL is meaningless to you, except that I thought I read somewhere that Cornell is now finally allowing students to apply to more than one of its schools. I am curious to see if anyone has a link to the acceptance rate at CAS. I don't think I've seen anything where it would be as low as 17%.</p>
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which Ivy is the easiest to get into
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Poison ivy, obviously. </p>
<p>As another advantage of it, you don't have to brag about coming from an ivy. People will be able to see. :)</p>
<p>hey, gellino: closer to eighteen percent. Please see: dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf.</p>
<p>As un-PC as this may seem... if you want the truth, at all magnet schools (the top ones at least), Cornell is universally viewed as almost something of a safety Ivy for the top 30% of the class.</p>
<p>My school had 13 Princeton Acceptances, 10 Columbia, 4 Harvard, 4 Yale, 9 MIT, 7 Brown, 5 Dartmouth, and 25+ Cornell. No one that applied both to Cornell and other Ivies were rejected by Cornell and accepted by other Ivies though the converse was definitely true.</p>
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Columbia College 8.96%
Harvard 8.97%
Princeton 9.46%
Yale 9.63%
Brown 13.53%
Dartmouth 15.27%
Columbia Fu Foundation 17%
Penn CAS 18%
Cornell 20.50%
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Apples and oranges. You can't compare the acceptance rates of early action and early decision universities. The very low regular acceptance rates of Harvard (5.47%) and Yale (6.42%), for example, are balanced by their relatively high (19-21%) early action acceptance rates.</p>
<p>Besides, acceptance rates can be a very misleading measure of selectivity.</p>