<p>I don't expect others to hold to my religious standards. However, I feel that there are other problems with abortion, some of which I listed.</p>
<p>Yes and I agree with most of those. I wish things like that could be emphasized as opposed to the "it's a sin".</p>
<p>What about ppl who don't want kids? Are they not supposed to have sex ever? Now keep in mind this means married couples.</p>
<p>Get your tubes tied. That's what I plan on eventually doing, as I doubt I'll ever want kids.</p>
<p>UBVinny: if sex is only for reproduction then why is the most concentrated amount of nerve endings in the tip of the ***** and and the glans of the clit?</p>
<p>that would indictate right there that sex is supposed to be for pleasure, as well as reproduction.</p>
<p>UB-Vinny77:
please excuse my ad hominem, but you are a freaking idiot. oh, and also a despicable hypocrite</p>
<p>now, appealing to logic:
you cannot say that sex is for reproduction, and that those who do not want kids must be prohibited from sexual intercourse. why? intercourse between two willing, independent human beings is none of your business, just as cracking racist jokes privately cannot be banned as illegal. the general principle (of course there are exceptions) is that as long as your action does not harm other people, what you do is your own decision. now, some people make the argument that abortion takes the life away from a fetus. i ask you, who gave life to the fetus in the first place? (this is only a question. i am neither pro-life nor pro-choice)
intercourse is a basic human function. yes, it is originally designed for reproduction, but like the vast majority of other things, its purpose has evolved with the passage of time. now it may be socializing, or simply for pleasures. like it or not, it is not illegal to have fun or make friends
also, rape victims will forever suffer from the emotional trauma. forcing them to keep the kid would torture them psychologically and physically (work to support one more mouth) forever. what happens if an insect laid eggs in your bloodstream? the "kids" will be innocent, but you wouldn't kill them, would you???!!!11!!one!!1</p>
<p>any emotional event in someone's life is going to cause an emotional response...people falling out of marriage will cause a deep seeded negative emotional response, should people not get married to avoid these emotional and psychological problems?</p>
<p>and an increased risk of breast cancer is the biggest so called "risk" of abortions when in reality the NAS and other studies have already proven that abortions do not raise the risk of cancer.</p>
<p>and STDs only result from unsafe sex when people cannot abstain from sex and since they have been told condoms are sinful, then they dont use them. There are millions of people across Africa who have gotten AIDS because their pastor told them condoms are sinful. Sex and the pleasure that it causes is part of being human. You will not create an abstinent culture no matter what religion says. Instead of turning a blind eye, its better to open the eye wider than it was thought possible before.</p>
<p>In addition, before you call my morals into question, I do not believe in going around solely for one night stands. Sex is spiritual, but it is also physical and this physical side cannot be ignored. Sex is not "ok" because there is a word uttered by a priest, it is so much deeper than that.</p>
<p>Sex is for FUN.</p>
<p>bob: You can get herpes while "Protected."</p>
<p>"There are millions of people across Africa who have gotten AIDS because their pastor told them condoms are sinful."</p>
<p>There was a town where advocates of safe sex came and handed out condoms. To demonstrate how to use one, they put it on a cucumber.</p>
<p>Later they returned to find...</p>
<p>...a field full of condom-wearing cucumbers.</p>
<p>The AIDS issue is far, FAR more complex than pastors telling people condoms are sinful. And not all denominations are anti-birth control. Please keep that in mind.</p>
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<p>So what? Do you not care about the unnecessary burden it places on social workers and social services? If you aborted an unwanted pregnancy, that's the end. If you went ahead and had the child anyway, you place a huge burden (monetary, physical, mental, timewise) on either child services or yourself. It's just a bad cycle. I stand by my opinion that parenthood should be planned carefully and in order for that to happen access to birth control, including abortion, should be unrestricted and even encouraged.</p>
<p>You're an idealist. I'm a realist and a pragmatist. That's fine. :)</p>
<p>Not all adoptions go through government services. And I would hope that the benefits of preventing innocent children from dying, providing them with a good home, and allowing childless parents to raise children would outweigh the possible risk of overloading of the social services system.</p>
<p>Unborn fetuses are NOT children yet!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>If the social services system becomes overloaded, that has a direct effect on the quality of households that they place children into. And it's not a question of if social services gets overloaded, it's a question of WHEN. If they're in charge of too many kids, then social services WILL be overloaded.</p>
<p>The birth of unwanted children causes an ongoing unnecessary burden in all respects on both parties (the mother/social services and child). If that pregnancy was aborted, that is one less emotionally distressed child being thrown around the social services system, and one less placement social services has to make, therefore increasing the quality of other placements.</p>
<p>The stress on a woman caused by bearing an unwanted child is at LEAST equal to the average stress caused by an abortion.</p>
<p>I would rather give her child a chance to live. Many children given up for adoption rather than aborted are immediately placed; they don't spend years in an orphanage or in foster care. Yes, the social services have to check on the quality of the home they're placing a child into. But I don't think having more children to place would significantly reduce the quality of home a child is going into. If the abused children come from homes where they're not wanted, then I would hope that wanted children are treated better. Of course there is more to it than that but that's one way to look at it.</p>
<p>There is no line to adopt babies with fetal alcohol syndrome or that are addicted to crack cocaine.</p>
<p>There was a town where advocates of safe sex came and handed out condoms. To demonstrate how to use one, they put it on a cucumber.</p>
<p>Later they returned to find...</p>
<p>...a field full of condom-wearing cucumbers.</p>
<p>The AIDS issue is far, FAR more complex than pastors telling people condoms are sinful. And not all denominations are anti-birth control. Please keep that in mind.</p>
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<p>Yes, I agree...it is more complex. But its undeniable the role that missionaries, especially Catholic missionaries, and the like have played in preventing the use of safe sex in Africa.</p>
<p>Married couples can't even use condoms. The Pope tells them to abstain, which is absolute bs. The Pope telling you to repress human nature is no better than Big Brother in 1984 forming the Anti-Sex Leagues because sex is sinful.</p>
<p>biologically speaking, a child by the 10th week (i say 10th week because around 60-65% of abortions take place by then) does not have any human organs...there is no functioning heart, not even an organ resembling a heart, there is no brain function, no nothing. Abstractly, humans are humans due to our frontal lobe of the brain which gives us the ability to reason and think unlike any other primate. If we had the same frontal lobe of chimpanzees, then we would be chimpanzees. All human civilization has been caused by will and reason, which are controlled by the frontal lobe. Even bipedal movement has been hypothesized to be due to the will of humans to migrate out of Africa. Guess when the frontal lobe takes shape? A few months before birth...it almost exactly coincides with the date at which a child can survive outside of the womb? </p>
<p>The Hague saw this as obvious and has legislated that a fetus does not gain human rights until birth, when there is something to differentiate a fetus from a human.</p>
<p>I think that this should be pushed back to the point at which the fetus can survive outside the womb but the point of logic is the same.</p>
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<p>UB-Vinny77:
please excuse my ad hominem, but you are a freaking idiot. oh, and also a despicable hypocrite</p>
<p>now, appealing to logic:
you cannot say that sex is for reproduction, and that those who do not want kids must be prohibited from sexual intercourse. why? intercourse between two willing, independent human beings is none of your business, just as cracking racist jokes privately cannot be banned as illegal. the general principle (of course there are exceptions) is that as long as your action does not harm other people, what you do is your own decision. now, some people make the argument that abortion takes the life away from a fetus. i ask you, who gave life to the fetus in the first place? (this is only a question. i am neither pro-life nor pro-choice)
intercourse is a basic human function. yes, it is originally designed for reproduction, but like the vast majority of other things, its purpose has evolved with the passage of time. now it may be socializing, or simply for pleasures. like it or not, it is not illegal to have fun or make friends
also, rape victims will forever suffer from the emotional trauma. forcing them to keep the kid would torture them psychologically and physically (work to support one more mouth) forever. what happens if an insect laid eggs in your bloodstream? the "kids" will be innocent, but you wouldn't kill them, would you???!!!11!!one!!1</p>
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<p>Bobert_McCloud, the feeling is mutual.</p>
<p>actually making raciest comments is illegal in most civilized countries including america, wherter it be private or public.</p>
<p>why do you bring up what people want to do. if a guy jams his **** up a chicks ass, is that ok also, or are we not supposed to that. id have to go with it is not a natural act. The number of people especially in the porn industry who need to have recnstructive surgery from anal is quite high.</p>
<p>you make no good points, I dont see horses, cows, sloth, dogs, having sex for fun, do you????? didnt think so.</p>
<p>Sex is not ment for fun, sociliazation or any other act except reproduction.</p>
<p>you ask</p>
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<p>if you dont know how human reporduction works, then go ask mom and dad.</p>
<p>i personnaly belive it gets all physical traits from the parents and its soul from another place. </p>
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<p>you cant prove this, and nobody can. How do you know when the child is getting sucked out of there that it doesnt feel it. you dont know that. How about we through you *******s into a woodchipper.</p>
<p>I just hope one day people will wake up and stop killing inocent lives. Those who's choice it was to kill that life deserve to rot in hell. Doctor and parents alike.</p>
<p>UB-Vinny77, your ignorance does not merit a response. i suggest you go to sleep, wake up in the morning, and re-read your entire argument.</p>
<p>What? I agree with Bobert (even though he committed the fallacy of ad hominem, it was almost merited)?! How has this happened?</p>
<p>UB-VInny: The burden of proof is on you, troll. I'm convinced your idiotic rhetoric is obviously baiting.</p>
<p>However, PROVE that me saying a racist comment like nigger, spic, or cracker in my home is illegal. Prove it.</p>