<p>I said I don't know a lot, I just remember stuff from when I went to Greece. Notice I didn't list it in my languages spoken?</p>
<p>what languages can you speak, read, and write other than english? and that aren't dead?</p>
<p>well I said i knew 3 languages cause I can speak them, read them, and write them.</p>
<p>Oh, I guess Latin doesn't count because it's dead... good argument.</p>
<p>Well I said I spoke three languages</p>
<p>edit - Okay, I have to go because I can't stay on CC 24/7 like you :]</p>
<p>im just asking you something specific, you person.</p>
<p>i signed in like 20 minutes ago and im doing my summer work simultaneoulsy. Oh, dear, did I forget a comma in a compound sentence???</p>
<p>thank you for letting me engage in the stupidest debate of my life. what an experience. I'M NEVER GOING TO POST ON COLLEGECONFIDENTIAL AGAIN. TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.</p>
<p>I love the Ivy Leaguers like celsius who call others bitter for saying you can get a good education anywhere.</p>
<p>Would we be bitter that we didn't get into a prestigious school whose prestige we don't really care about, or would you be bitter because we're insinuating that you're paying 40,000 dollars a year to get an education that is comparable to one at most familiar universities? </p>
<p>Really, if your education was that much better, I feel like you wouldn't need to come onto a forum and try to convince everyone else that was the case.</p>
<p>^Attitude is everything, chris. I honestly don't think that Ivy Leaguers (or at least many) assume that EVERYONE who says that a good education can be pursued anywhere is bitter. Rather, the attitude of people toward Ivies and top schools can come across as bitter.</p>
<p>I love how this descended into such an immature argument. An argument WITH CAPS LOCK FOR THE WIN!</p>
<p>I didn't mean all Ivy Leaguers made that assumption, I know tons who don't. I've just seen multiple posts like celsius', and it makes me mad that they throw people's arguments away as "bitterness." </p>
<p>Of course there can be bitterness toward Ivy Leagues. "Cornell sucks, I don't want to go there anyway" is an example. Littlegreenmom(?)'s post isn't. To assume there is bitterness in what she said is just tantamount to having a superiority complex, isn't it? </p>
<p>Sorry for the unnecessarily frequent repetition of the word bitterness.</p>
<p>lmao i just took the time to read through this whole thing and haha it was so ridiculous.</p>
<p>^ I'm just proud of myself for convincing her to leave CC once and for all.</p>
<p>^amen to that. Man she's stupid. </p>
<p>Generally, yes the college you go to matters. Does it matter so much that grades, internships and work experience doesn't matter? No. So there's no point in being condescending towards those not attending Ives or be bitter toward those in Ives. But all else being equal, prestige wins. The question is, is there a case where all other factors are equal?</p>
<p>^ Haha, dude Lilian needs to go out to smell the roses. Enjoy the fresh air. </p>
<p>Chris07 - First of all, I'm not going to an Ivy League. Yet, I respect the hard work that the students put in to get in there in the first place. Therefore, I do not think it is right to say all schools are the same. Once again, I like to think of each school as an individual school, so I also respect the hard work that students would in to get to many top schools (not just the Ivy Leagues). By not going to an Ivy League myself, my argument is more valid, because I am not biased. Please don't assume all students who argue for Ivy Leagues are Ivy Leaguers.</p>
<p>I never said that people who say "You can get a good education anywhere" are bitter. In fact, I agree with that. But it depends how you measure "good", because surely an education at Yale surpasses that of MSC. What I was arguing with LittleGreenMom was that the school you go to matters and that not all schools offer the same opportunities. Do you not agree with that?</p>
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<p>On top of that, I respect the amount of work poor kids put in to get scholarships to state schools that are not considered "top schools." And I respect the amount of work that any serious student puts into his education once he actually gets to college. </p>
<p>On CC you would think that getting into a college was an end in itself, that getting into Harvard was like stepping onto a bus that would drive you to a better future without having to lift a finger. You have to work hard anywhere you go. </p>
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<p>Ha, it's not that simple. I think anybody would agree with me here.</p>
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I never said that people who say "You can get a good education anywhere" are bitter. In fact, I agree with that. But it depends how you measure "good", because surely an education at Yale surpasses that of MSC. What I was arguing with LittleGreenMom was that the school you go to matters and that not all schools offer the same opportunities. Do you not agree with that?
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<p>First of all, explain to us all how a Yale education "surely" surpasses an MSC one. I want concrete reasons ("more opportunities"≠concrete), instead of the word "surely" thrown in there to make it sound like a foolproof fact. If you have trouble doing this (although I'm sure you'll be able to dance around it somehow), you'll have proved to yourself that it depends on specifics, and so you can never really make that claim or the opposite one, either.</p>
<p>Of course not every school offers the same opportunities, I don't think anyone ever tried to argue that. You're not going to get the same opportunities in Cambridge that you would get in Philadelphia, regardless of whether the college in Philadelphia is Temple or Penn. </p>
<p>The thing is that you can be successful at any respectable school (for some of us, a school is respectable even if it's NOT in the top 20) if you work hard and take advantage of the opportunities you do find. I don't see how you can possibly say that I would be anymore successful at an Ivy than I am at my public university without assuming the superiority of the Ivy in the first place. How do you know I would get any research positions at an Ivy with much more cutthroat competition? And then how would I look compared to my counterpart back at the public university who did get a spot?</p>
<p>"First of all, explain to us all how a Yale education "surely" surpasses an MSC one."</p>
<p>Endowment, student faculty ratio, on-campus resources, strength of peers, strength of faculty, graduate school placement, average starting salaries, average mid-career salaries, course selection, on-campus job recruitment...</p>
<p>While you haven't implicitly said it, don't make a statement which could be construed as you not knowing how an education at Yale might be superior to that at MSC.</p>
<p>Chris07 - I do not have to prove anything to you. It is generally accepted that an education at Yale surpasses that of MSC. You are the one making the opposing argument, so please show us concrete proof that MSC = Yale. Thanks!</p>
<p>Did I ever say I did not respect the work of kids at state schools? I am going to a state school. All I did was assert that what school one goes to matters and that not all schools offer the same opportunities. </p>
<p>And actually.. the OP argued: (see post #10) "I really dont buy this "good college" crap. You are exposed to the same MATERIAL at ALL colleges. It is YOUR job to TAKE ADVANTAGE."
===> The truth is you are not.</p>
<p>I am disregarding your final paragraph, because I think it's a joke. :)</p>
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<p>Perhaps I can offer one reason to pick Yale. While I may not have a full scientific proof that Yale has more resources and opportunities, I can say that due to the fact that Yale receives all this hype from top HS students and MSC does not, Yale is more likely to have better opportunities and resources. I'm just employing probabilistic reasoning here. </p>
<p>Earlier I said that prestige is not the most important thing in the big picture. I still stand by that statement. I am willing to choose a college that fits me over a college that is more prestigious. But one can only go so far. If its the choice between Berkeley and Cornell, then sure one can pick Berkeley over Cornell because they prefer Cal's sunny California weather over Cornell's deary and cold New York weather. But what if the choice is between San Jose State and Cornell? Do you think its really rational to pick SJSU over Cornell simply because of weather? You see my point here?</p>