When did Tulane become a national university?

At one time I had the impression that Tulane was rather a Southern clubby type university. Needless to say, that isn’t the case. But was it ever?

In looking at the admissions map, I’m taken back a bit that the least represented region, save for the Mountain West, is the Southern Central region, made up of the six states closest to Tulane plus Kentucky. Was it always this way, and if not, when did the change occur.

I should note that my son was not interested in Tulane until he found out that the student body was not overwhelmingly Southern, so the national student body is not a bad thing. It was just unexpected, and I’m curious how this came to be. I’m sure at some point Tulane had to be a mostly Southern university.

When it had to recover after Katrina.

Applications spiked in the following admissions cycle as students from all over wanted to help New Orleans rebuild.

Tulane has been a national university for the past 75 years, and possibly longer.

@EarlVanDorn

Yes, ignore the “after Katrina” reply, that is just wrong regarding its national makeup. It is true that there was a tremendous spike in applications after Katrina, but Tulane had already long had substantial Eastern corridor representation by then, along with strong Midwest pockets such as St. Louis and Chicago.

Tulane has a long and very interesting history, and obviously I am not going to cover it all here. But in short, Tulane began as a state school in 1834 as the Medical College of Louisiana. It then became the University of Louisiana, closed during the Civil War, reopened, but then shortly after became private when Paul Tulane, a wealthy businessman from New Jersey, was looking to donate millions. Obviously that is when the school was renamed as well. Side fact is he first offered his millions to Princeton but withdrew the offer when they wouldn’t rename that school. He did a lot of business in NOLA, Louisiana needed money post Civil War/Reconstruction, and the deal was done. Another interesting fact is that even today, as a result of that late 1800’s deal, every Louisiana state representative gets a scholarship to Tulane to give away, and Tulane gets certain tax breaks they otherwise would not on property and other assets that wouldn’t normally be covered under their not-for-profit status. Turns out the loss of tuition income and the tax savings pretty much offset each other. To this day Tulane is the only public college to become a private one.

Tulane was, of course, all male at that time. Around that same time Josephine Louise Newcomb, a wealthy widow and grieving mother over the death of her young Sophie (around 12 I think, without looking it up), began Sophie Newcomb College for Women, which became the first coordinate college for women when she joined with Tulane. It preceded the various partnerships of the Ivies such as Harvard/Radcliffe, Brown/Pembroke, and Columbia/Barnard. The only single sex dorm at Tulane is JL, named for the founder of the college. Newcomb College was merged fully into Tulane after Katrina, but it had long before stopped being separate in any significant fashion other than symbolically and emotionally. A court fight ensued over whether Tulane had violated the terms of the Newcomb donation, and Tulane won.

Now to get to your point, the other thing that is important to know is that New Orleans, being the ultimate melting pot of nationalities and cultures, was also very open in terms of religion. It was mostly Catholic but had its fair share of the various Protestant religions, African religions and their nearby island variations, and probably the second largest Jewish population after New York, at that time. This became very attractive to the Jewish populations of the East Coast, from Boston to Baltimore, as NOLA was known to be very accepting. Tulane was welcoming, and at that time the Ivies were not. Word spread about the school in general which, somewhat surprisingly, never gained a reputation as a “Jewish school”. Obviously it was still heavily Christian, even more so than today, so I suppose that is why. In any case, this led to a bit of a pathway, if you will, where Tulane was mostly southern kids but had a healthy representation from the Northeast-Midatlantic corridor, and not just the Jewish students as word spread of the quality of the school. Subsequently many of those families had members that moved west, especially to St. Louis and Chicago. Representation grew from there as well.

Naturally the advent of air travel helped a little, but the interstate highway system of the 50’s made a huge difference, as airfare was very expensive. Now the cheaper fares have made Tulane far more accessible, and not coincidentally West Coast representation has grown substantially since the 90’s. Excellent recruiting efforts there were key as well, and in general great word of mouth about Tulane.

I won’t claim every detail is exactly correct as I have not gone back like a historian to check against primary sources, but it is substantively the answer to your question. In summary, Tulane has had a national student representation for many decades, even preceding going private. But that is when it started to really start to get its national reputation and representation, and that has steadily increased even right through today as the West Coast area kicked in in a big way relatively recently. Now international is starting to increase, although still small as a percentage. Of course, most of what I refer to is about undergrads, not the grad and professional schools. I know little about the latter’s history and makeup.

Wow… Is that the etiquette here? When one disagrees with another poster’s well-considered opinion, the accepted practice is to slam them by saying “ignore”? Yeah, what do I know as an ignorant New Orleanian…

There’s no universally accepted definition of “national university”. Of course, Tulane had students from other US regions prior to Katrina, but Katrina was a literal & figurative watershed event for the university. The international news coverage of Katrina gave Tulane mega visibility like it never had before.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-06-30-enrollment_N.htm

Tulane has a had a national reputation at least since the mid-70’s if not longer.

I am sorry if I came off as harsh, but it was just wrong, and so I don’t take it as well considered. I have been a student of Tulane’s history since I attended in the 1970’s. I was from St. Louis, and I would say about half my classmates were not from what is classically taken as the “South”. I am calling the South for these purposes Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida and Georgia. I count Florida since the upper half, at least, is very southern in character. Not so much the lower half, where Tulane draws very well, but let’s throw it in anyway. FWIW (not much), my roommates were from NYC, Kansas City, KS, and Jackson MS my freshman, sophomore and junior years respectively. BTW, Tulane has always been classified as a national university by USNWR since they began their rankings in the early 80’s. They do have a regional university category, and they obviously didn’t think Tulane belonged there. Tulane has been part of the American Association of Universities, an honor bestowed only on the highest level research institutions, which are all national universities. That has been true since 1958.

There is no question that Tulane continued to become more national, as defined by geographic origin of their undergraduates, after I left in 1977. Katrina absolutely brought attention to the school, but a huge amount of that was negative. In fact, that was the reason I got so involved on CC, there was so much misinformation about the state of the city and the school. So while kids applied in droves (it was free and Tulane made it very easy in other ways as well, such as no essays back then), there was a ton of reluctance, especially among parents. Tulane only enrolled something like 900 students total for the freshman class the year after Katrina, so the “flocking” was not immediate.

So perhaps I was a bit abrupt, but Tulane as a national university really has little to do with Katrina.

Tulane can only be considered a national university after it was desegregated in the 1960’s. Prior to that, it was for white students only.

I respect the issue, but no. That is not how “national” is defined. National involves geography, not race.

Lots students I knew from the NY suburbs went to Tulane in the 1970s. It was well known to be a school with a large representation of students from the Northeast.

I think the Katrina reference is relevant in that Tulane started giving out huge merit scholarships after Katrina to entice students to come and repopulate.

Thanks for the history @fallenchemist . The map is surprising and impressive, and as I said, it’s what has my son interested in attending a “Southern” university. I’m still surprised to see such a small representation from the non-Seaboard South, but since we’re from one of those states perhaps it is to my son’s advantage.

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Tulane did some very aggressive marketing after katrina, offered tuition discounts to everyone the year after Katrina (IIRC) and I think that was the year they went to the common app (dropped the universal app). Add to that the availability of the streamlined application and no app fee, and yes, the application numbers rose significantly. That said, I am in agreement with @fallenchemist that Tulane was a “national” U for many many years before Katrina, even before the womens college (Sophie Newcomb) was merged in with Tulane to be one school.

I attended Tulane as a freshman in 1982. My classmates were from all over the US, but certainly concentrated from certain states. We had many from LA, TX, FL of course, but also CA, NY, NJ, MA, IL. While the city definitely gives one an opportunity to experience southern culture, it was by no means a regional school back in the early 80s.
I have indeed noticed the renewed interest post Katrina in our NY town, but then again many colleges now get more applications than they once did, if only due to common app and international applicants. I don’t understand at all why Katrina would attract more students, but merit scholarships sure would !

I would not really consider New Orleans representative of “southern culture”. It is unique unto itself, with its own language, accent, expressions, culinary style, architecture, etc. Save for some of the old plantation swamp tours , there is, IMO, little else that is what might be considered traditional “southern culture”.

Charleston has a similar architecture. I used to say it was a bit like the French Quarter, without the vomit.

Totally agree. Its history, mostly due to its location, set it apart from anywhere else. Changing ownership, constant influx and acceptance of just about every nationality and ethnic group, including free blacks long before the civil war (see the history of Treme), and the almost constant corruption of both local and state government, and you have a recipe like no other. Add in the migration of the Acadians from French Canada to create the Cajun culture throughout South Louisiana, and there is nothing like it in the rest of the south.

Yes but being surrounded by people who grew up outside NOLA, from Florida, swamps outside NOLA and other places got you plenty of exposure to southern culture. As a New Yorker, I dated Southern girls for the first time, which was an eye opener to say the least, none from NOLA. You learn culture from people, not buildings.
That said, half the people I met were from NY, Chicago, Boston … So back to the original point, it was a national school at least as far back as the 1980s from first hand experience. But there were plenty of southern born students too. It was distinctly NOT international. I don’t recall meeting ANY international students at all. I transferred up to Boston University and met lots of international students there.

@blevine

I took the point to mean that New Orleans itself, and its native people, are not typical of much of the rest of the south. Besides the other obvious differences between the schools involved, one would find oneself in and near much more typical southern environments if one were in Oxford MS or Tuscaloosa AL or Athens GA. One really can’t count Atlanta as typical soutghern any longer either, I suppose, since the great northern invasion of that city post WWII. More northerners than southerners living there, I think. I exaggerate a bit, but the influence is immense, not to mention the growth of Atlanta makes it less than typical as well. Anyway, of course you are right that by getting to know your classmates and “comparing notes”, you get insight into regional differences. That is why Tulane always brags about being so geographically diverse, even if they still cannot claim to be very racially diverse. They are trying, I know, and I am sure those numbers will improve soon.

You are certainly correct as well about international students. That is a phenomenon that has only started to become true, but the numbers are changing fast. In only 3 years the school has gone from something like 15 to 75 international students in the undergraduate population. These things take time, of course.

@EarlVanDorn

A timely article in today’s Chronicle of Higher Education. Here is the summary:

Of course Tulane isn’t the only school with a significant geographic diversity, but it is in a relatively small and exclusive group. Some highlights (from 1998-2014):

CA has virtually tripled in representation
IL has increased about 70%
Southern representation has decreased from 33% to 25%

That last puts the pre-Katrina/post-Katrina argument to rest. Katrina was in 2005. in 1998 524 students were from those southern states I listed. In 2014 it was 404. The loss from the south is almost entirely accounted for by the gain in CA. But it would be tough to argue that about 2/3 of the class being from outside of the south in 1998 wasn’t representative of a national university. In 2014 it is about 75%, certainly a shift which, as I said, is largely accounted for by the west coast effect.

http://chronicle.com/interactives/where-does-your-freshman-class-come-from?cid=at&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en&elqTrackId=b1b17dd91e474549b18ef181c2a5f3ca&elq=a3f05b3c5e874ffa8c2b722dee98dd0f&elqaid=10257&elqat=1&elqCampaignId=3833#id=inst_217156

@fallenchemist I saw the article in the Chronicle and immediately looked at the numbers for Tulane. If you want to see something really interesting, look at Ole Miss and Alabama from 1998 to 2014.

In 1998 Ole Miss was a small school that was already highly reliant on out-of-state students. Alabama was a good but larger, but still small, and got only 26 percent of freshmen from out of state. In 2014 the Ole Miss freshman class had doubled, with a big increase from the northeast and California. And Alabama? It has just exploded, with the freshman class now being two-thirds out of state, with substantial numbers from the northeast.

That is interesting, @EarlVanDorn, but I have to say not surprising for Alabama at all, for those of us on CC that are aware of their aggressive approach. Ole Miss surprises me a bit more, but with the Barksdale Honors College being so highly thought of, maybe I shouldn’t be. We glanced at it when my D was looking, and a brother/sister from her high school that are a year apart both chose that. We are in Rhode Island. The times, they have been a’changing.