When people don't vaccinate their kids

It was part of a regular blood draw, ordered by my primary care doc so I didn’t pay anything. It did take a few days to get the results, where everything else tested was faster.

Re: #3879

Measles and rubella (“German measles”) are different, but vaccine for both (and mumps) is typically given in one shot (MMR).

MMR vaccine costs about $75 to $100. Titer for one probably costs less, but titers for all three probably cost more. Of course, if insurance covers, you may not notice the cost unless you look at the EOB carefully.

I got my MMR booster 5 years ago for free at the health department, along with Tdap and I forget what else. I thought all shots were free as part of Obamacare? Goodness knows we don’t have great insurance.

Vaccines are covered by an approved Affordable Care Act insurance plan IFF they vaccine is recommended for that age cohort or are considered at risk.

I’m considering getting an MMR booster because I’ll be traveling in France this summer and Paris is a current hotspot for measles. My group’s travel medicine department isn’t currently recommending it so I may just have to pay out of pocket.

The next predicted measles hotspot in the United States

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-cook-county-worst-measles-outbreak-risk-20190509-story.html

Whew, the Maine Legislature finally got their act together. Both chambers agreed to eliminate philosophical AND religious exemptions to vaccinations. That’s a relief. One of the lawmakers argued that eliminating the religious exemptions would cause an exodus of families from the state. Fine with me!

@MaineLonghorn

I realize that vaccinations are important, but I am afraid that this country is well on it’s way to losing religious freedom. There have been so many things in recent years that are threatening freedom of religion and considering that it was one of the main reasons behind the founding of this country it seems unwise to try and unravel the foundation of the country.

Religious freedom doesn’t allow you to kill young children with an axe, even if you think God is telling you to, and it shouldn’t allow you to kill them because you don’t want to get a measles shot, either.

@HeartofDixie, besides a couple of tiny, fringe religions, NO religions oppose vaccinations. This is a red herring. It drives me nuts. Parents’ irresponsibility can KILL other children.

I really think it’s an issue of people not understanding that many thousands of Americans died before the introduction of vaccinations. Or were maimed permanently. I was shocked how many kids in MY family died of diphtheria in the late 1800s. Multiple children in the same family, over and over.

People will be able to homeschool their kids if they don’t want to vaccinate them. I still think they’re acting irresponsibly and almost criminally, but I guess that’s their right. :frowning:

But how many non-fringe religions are taking a life-affirming stand in support of vaccinations? I don’t hear of churches in my area sponsoring vaccination drives, while their affiliated private schools welcome non-vaccinated children. Mainstream religions are complicit in their silence.

In New York, the city has closed several ultraorthodox Jewish schools that don’t document that their students are vaccinated.
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/us-news/ny/ninth-jewish-school-closed-in-nyc-for-measles-vaccination-violation/2019/05/14/

People can do whatever they want, in my opinion, in the name of religion or otherwise as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone but themselves. Obviously, that doesn’t apply here.

People are free to not get vaccines if that’s what their religion says. And everybody else is also free to tell unvaccinated people that they’re not welcome in schools to infect everybody else’s kids. See - the freedom thing works for both sides, not just one.

^^^Unfortunately, it’s not just at school where these non vaccinated individuals are dangerous. They walk among us.

The idea that anti-vaxers are criminal is completely ridiculous. Anyone care to explain the surge in autoimmune disease that curiously corresponds to rising vaccination rates?

I don’t know that vaccinations cause autoimmune, but no one else can tell us that they don’t.

“Anyone care to explain the surge in autoimmune disease that curiously corresponds to rising vaccination rates”

Looking into PFAS contamination would be a good place to start.

CJCLDS:
https://www.lds.org/study/liahona/1978/07/immunize-children-leaders-urge?lang=eng
https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-makes-immunizations-an-official-initiative-provides-social-mobilization?lang=eng

Catholic:
https://www.ncbcenter.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/use-vaccines/
https://www.ncbcenter.org/files/1714/3101/2478/vaticanresponse.pdf

Union of Reformed Judaism:
https://urj.org/what-we-believe/resolutions/resolution-mandatory-immunization-laws

Chabad:
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2870103/jewish/What-Does-Jewish-Law-Say-About-Vaccination.htm

Islamic scholars:
https://www.afro.who.int/sites/default/files/2017-09/Religious%20Leaders%20Declaration.pdf

Several people in a family were permitted to board a flight recently with 2 kids who clearly had active measles. They sat by a family friend who is immunosuppressed due to a bone marrow transplant. They did ultimately remove the family form the plane before departure but why in heck were they ever allowed to board? This is criminal .

“Anyone care to explain the surge in autoimmune disease that curiously corresponds to rising vaccination rates”

People live longer and get diseases that others may have developed if they had lived long enough to get them?

Are there any studies showing those who do not vaccinate have fewer autoimmune diseases? Do they have fewer incidences of autism than the general public? Fewer complications after contracting the measles or mumps? I’m hoping the number of non-vaccinated is too small to have meaningful studies but I fear it is not, and we only have numbers for those who contract the disease (like the current measles cases) and that even those patients don’t fully cooperate with post illness studies and surveys.