Please provide a link when you post things of that nature. Who are “these people”?
@Nrdsb4
https://www.immune.org.nz/hot-topic/infant-deaths-samoa-tragic-outcome-error-preparing-mmr-vaccine
“These people” would be people that promote vaccination without regard to possible negative effects.
@OhiBro The deaths were from an error, not from the vaccine itself as you so inaccurately put in your post #3999: “as a direct result of this particular vaccine.” What a sloppy, damaging, contemptible misrepresentation.
Per the article you linked, 4 kids did not die “as a direct result of this particular vaccine.”
In the first two incidents, the vaccine was reconstituted with a “muscle relaxant.” This has zero to with the vaccine and everything to do with medical and/or even criminal negligence on the part of the nurses administering it. Diluting a vaccine with another drug???The vaccine given as recommended would not have resulted in harm to these children. Gross negligence, not the vaccine itself, caused these deaths.
In the other instances from the article, it is not known at all that the deaths occurred due to the vaccine. It specifically states that:
Per the above, it has absolutely not been established that these deaths occurred “as a direct result of this particular vaccine.”
I find your characterization of these events to be highly disingenuous.
According to the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the U of Minnesota, as of yesterday,
A poster supports a murder charge for having an opinion, and the talons come out for me? LOL
@Nrdsb4 , since you actually read the linked information, thank you. But I disagree with your interpretation.
From a parent’s perspective, 4 kids were killed by the vaccine. Does it matter if 2 of the cases involved negligence (not “gross negligence” as you characterized it)? Those poor nurses were doing their best to provide care, but the vaccine maker failed to make a fool-proof design, didn’t train properly, etc. Having suspicion of the vaccine isn’t limited to the chemicals in the vaccine itself. It summarily includes everything about it (storage, administration, etc). My characterization was directed at an assertion that having suspicion is tantamount to murder…so rather than being “highly disingenuous”, it was spot on.
Regarding the other two deaths…
2017:
“Your vaccine killed my child!”
“No, vaccines are safe.”
2018:
“Your vaccine killed my other child!”
“Hmmmm…”
It’s a sad situation. But it is not murder to have an opinion.
A prominent Australian anti-vaxxer married to a Samoan pro rugby player has been further exacerbating the situation in Samoa by claiming that the standard hospital treatment for measles (antibiotics and acetaminophen) is contributing to deaths. Great message. Don’t get vaccinated, and if you do contract measles don’t seek appropriate medical care.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12291428
I don’t agree that having an opinion is murder. That’s not my post.
I am a nurse. We are responsible for safe practice. Every vaccine comes with directions. In fact, every drug comes with instructions. It is essential standard practice for every licensed nurse to read the inserts or consult a drug book when administering any drug with which they are unfamiliar. This vaccine came with the proper diluent. I just reconstituted a drug yesterday. On the bottle are instructions to add 2.5 ml sterile water to the vial. When getting the sterile water out of the drug cabinet, it was necessary for me to read to label to be sure I wasn’t injecting lidocaine or any other substance that is not sterile water. A nurse dilutes with a muscle relaxant instead? Sorry, in no way is not checking the label of the substance you are injecting defensible. In no way is the vaccine maker responsible for actions that deviate so grossly from standard practice. No drug maker can prevent a practitioner from going totally rogue. No drug maker can ascertain the credentials of every practitioner who might use their product. That’s absurd. Your own link states that the vaccine was not the cause of the death.
If I use a saline bullet to flush your IV, but I grab a syringe of fentanyl and inject it into you without bothering to read the label, we wouldn’t say that a saline flush killed you.
“Poor nurses doing their best” my foot.
As to the sibling deaths, certainly “hmmm…” However, “hmmmm…” is not evidence. It is not a conclusion. It relates cause for investigation but does not convey conclusion. You stated unequivocally that the vaccine has been determined to have caused these deaths. That is patently false.
YES-disingenuous, and it seems deliberately so.
4 deaths in 3 years vs. 70 deaths and climbing in 3 months. Hmmm…
When your “opinion” directly puts people’s lives at risk, yeah I think you can consider it some sort of crime. Maybe not murder but I’ll settle for manslaughter.
People are of the opinion that drunk driving is fine. Others are of the opinion that beating your kids and spouses is fine. Obviously, we as a society have decided that these are not fine because they result in significant harm.
There’s also a reason I’m a historian and I don’t make these decisions. No one would ever elect me or put me in charge. But as a medical historian and former public health professional, I see no difference between anti-vaxxers and bioterrorists.
That said, ohiobro has made it clear over the year that he doesn’t argue in good faith so that’s not a discussion I’m getting into.
I could see in certain circumstances that spreading false propaganda during an epidemic could possibly be framed as a threat to public health.
No, it is unequivocal. Spend 30 seconds in google.
I’m going off your link, which states that the 2nd two deaths have not been explained. And your link also states that in the first two cases, the vaccine component was not the problem; the injection of dangerous unprescribed drugs given to two patients was the problem. The MMR does NOT consist of MMR antigens and muscle relaxants. The combined drugs were not a MMR vaccine. They were a completely different drug in combination.
As to Google, It’s not the responsibility of the readers to bolster your claims by doing extra searching.
It is VERY clearly inferred in the link that the vaccine caused the 2nd two deaths, but they’re not exactly sure how. The link stands on its own. The Google suggestion was specific for you, not other readers, as I’m not going to paste more definitive links when your mind appears to be made up.
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Here is an article describing the arrest of the activist in Samoa that @romanigypsyeyes referenced earlier:
“as logical and rational as we think we are… we emote first and reason later…”
Wonderful video about a young woman with cancer fighting back against vaccine misinformation in Ireland. It’s crazy that conspiracy theories and lies have led to the rates of HPV vaccination dropping drastically around the world. The Irish doctor in the video explains how people get caught in that trap of bad thinking, and how we can help get them out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/opinion/anti-vaccine-HPV.html
New measles case reported at Northeastern. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/health/northeastern-university-measles-student/index.html
Saw this. My 30 y.o. lives in the area and I had to send him this info. I am enraged that there’s a higher risk than there should be.
Oh great. Most likely a female NE student returning from a vacation abroad. (Brandy Melville is a women’s clothing shop and terminal E at Logan handles international flights.) That describes to a T the kid my daughter was hanging out with on the 6th. I have a few reasons to doubt it’s the same kid, and mine is fully vaccinated, but sheesh, should we really have to worry about this in an age of free and safe vaccinations?