Where did your 29-30 ACT kid get in?

I didn’t realize there was a character limit, so this will be a two part post…

Around this time last year we were in the thick of the college search process. To borrow a term coined by Lindagaf on another thread, my daughter was just your “average” excellent kid. She attended a small private school where she was very involved; took the most rigorous courses, had a 3.8 UW GPA, yet couldn’t break a 29 on the ACT after three attempts. I was somewhat disillusioned for her since many of the posts on CC seemed to focus on the successes of higher stat kids. Because she was three points below the magical 32 cut-off for many large merit awards, I feared that she wouldn’t be competitive to be considered for admission at any of the more selective schools she was interested in, and wouldn’t receive much, if any merit aid. That was until I stumbled upon a thread which gave me some hope. It was titled: “Where did your 30-31 ACT kid get in?” posted by GossamerWings ( http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1763910-where-did-your-30-to-31-act-kid-get-in-p1.html ). So now that we are done with the process (thank God), I decided to start a new thread for others that may find themselves in the midst of the college search process with “average” excellent kids with a 29-30 ACT, that are interested in selective schools and/or large merit awards. Hope others will chime in to share their stories as well.

Background: Unhooked female attending a Catholic school in a large Texas city where she was enrolled in the most demanding curriculum offered (all AP, dual credit or honors) with a 4.1 GPA (3.8 UW), top 15% ranking, and a 29 ACT (31 superscore). EC’s: student government, varsity athlete, various school/religious clubs, National Charity League with 100+ hours of community service every year. Held leadership positions at every level. I feel that her leadership and commitment to service were her best attributes and this was reflected in her resume, essays and recommendations.

Goals: Interested in pursuing Business/pre-med in a medium size school with lots of school spirit/Greek life, ideally located in an urban setting, and of course, merit aid (we ran the calculators and knew that we wouldn’t qualify for any need based aid). Not all the schools that she applied to met all of her/our criteria, but were included for other reasons listed below.

Reach: Notre Dame, USC. We considered these as “Reaches” because they had acceptance rates in the teens, and she fell just outside of the 50th percentile range for test scores. She was a double legacy at USC, but they don’t give much, if any preference for this, as we know double legacy families where their kids got shut out. Notre Dame may not be located in an urban area, but she loved it when she visited, especially the Catholic aspect.

Low reach: BC, UT and TAMU. The last two are our in-state flagships that have excellent Honors programs which would have made them feel smaller. However, we considered them reaches because both schools have an “Auto-admit” policy where 75% of the incoming freshman class is composed of all Texas HS seniors who graduate in the top 8% for UT, and top 10% for TAMU. My daughter was in the top 15%, so she would be a “Review admit,” and would be competing among all the other kids from around the country (and the world) for the remaining slots.

Match: SMU, TCU, and Pepperdine

Safeties: Baylor, Alabama. I hate to refer to these two great institutions as “safeties,” but because of her stats, we were pretty certain she would get in. Alabama was added to the list because of all the hype here on CC, plus guaranteed admittance to the Honors college with half-tuition merit aid with her scores.

She had the opportunity to visit all the campuses except for BC, and she could see herself at any of them except for maybe TAMU, which is a fantastic school but it is located in a rural town and was a little too “Howdy” for her. But at this point, my thinking was: the more options, the better.

As far as merit aid, I didn’t expect anything from our in-state publics (roughly $30K/year COA which we could afford), and not much from Notre Dame or BC because as top tier Catholic institutions, they don’t need to give out merit aid to attract high caliber students. Same can be said for USC; they don’t need to throw money at “average” excellent kids, but I was hoping they would look past my daughter’s test scores and see what other qualities she could bring to the campus.

See next post for rest of the story.

Congrats on a happy ending and having some great choices including just getting accepted to USC even with a small amount of merit. I agree that legacy status doesn’t help there anymore, particularly with a 35% international student body taking seats. I can’t contribute to this not having one in this year, but appreciate it for next year. Thanks for getting it rolling. Every kid I know that went to SMU is happy there!

Results: Listed below are the schools where she was admitted followed by any merit awards. She was accepted into the Business program in each case.

Alabama: $13K/year (50% tuition)
Baylor: $16K/year (38% tuition)
Pepperdine: $9K/year (18% tuition)
SMU: $45/year (90% tuition)
TAMU
TCU: $20K/year (50% tuition)
USC: $4K/year (8% tuition)
UT

She was deferred, then waitlisted at BC, and eventually withdrew. Looking back, I think that had she not applied directly to the Business school at BC, she would have probably been accepted EA. And not surprisingly, she was denied at Notre Dame.

After all the acceptances and FA offers came in, we sat down as a family to evaluate her options. After much angst, she decided to revisit SMU and while there came to the conclusion that it was the place that fit her the best, and not just because of the money they offered her, but because of the program she has been admitted to. She had applied for and was accepted as a Hunt scholar, where she will be afforded all kinds of amazing opportunities. I am very grateful that a school like SMU has a scholarships like the Hunt, where they look past the numbers, and in a truly holistic manner evaluate each candidates merits, and what they will bring to the university. In my daughter’s case I believe that was leadership and a commitment to service. I wish more schools would do this because as we all know, there’s more to a person than just test scores…

Lessons learned: Many of these can be found all over the CC, but let me reiterate a few of the big ones. First, know what your EFC will be. Run the NPC’s and have the “money talk” early in order to set realistic expectations for your kid. It’s OK for them to have a dream school, and this can be a great motivator for working harder in school, but if possible, do not let them fall in love with any one place. Know where your kid falls statistically at each school (50th percentile or above hopefully), and compile your list. If you need merit aid, try to raise those test scores as much as possible (invest here). Expand your search to include schools (especially smaller private ones with large endowments) where they will be in the 75th percentile range or above, as these schools tend to be more generous with merit aid. Focus on the safety, match and low reach schools (apply to these first). High reach schools are easier to identify but limit the number to a couple, and don’t waste a lot of time/money visiting these yet. If you happen to be in the area, stop by; if you get in, then go visit, but I wouldn’t recommend going out of your way before hand. And don’t feel guilty about saying “No” to unreasonable choices. Remember, you are the parent, and if you are paying for it, you get the final say. The goal should be to find a balance between “good fit” and cost, where everyone will be happy with the final choice.

Bigest mistake: letting her fall in love with one school in particular, USC. As alumni, my wife and I unwittingly planted the USC seed early on, and continued to nurture it through the years with all manner of Trojan swag, including religiously watching USC football games as a family every Saturday in the Fall. No matter how much you love your alma mater, do not do this to your child unless you know without a doubt that you can afford to send her there. As a matter of fact, I would encourage people to curb their enthusiasm for their alma mater because it may unduly influence their child. Our daughter knew our position up front that with a COA of $70K/year, USC wasn’t going to be feasible without substantial merit aid (note that my wife and I both attended on scholarship). Yet when they didn’t come through with much merit aid this past May, it was heartbreaking for her. Not a fun day/week. But as kids frequently do, she has since bounced back, and is excited about attending SMU which is very similar to, and in some cases better than USC (nicer neighborhood for sure). Plus as a Hunt scholar, she will be the venerable “big fish in a small pond,” whereas at USC she would have just been another minnow. Much better fit for her overall.

So I am very grateful that this process is finally over, and wish to give thanks to all the CC’ers that helped us along our journey. We are truly blessed with her results, and know that others will be just as fortunate if they apply much of the advice given on these boards. I will be taking a break from CC since my youngest is a rising sophomore. Happy Summer!

Our DD14 attended a private Catholic Prep H.S. Stats: 3.89 UW gpa /4.3 W/Top 8% of the class/ 30 ACT 1970 SAT
Fairly unusual ec’s including competing several year on an international level, member of a jr. USA national team and an alternative for the adult USA National team for her sport, tons of involvement and leadership in and outside of school. She won several local and club scholarships. Her list is small as she wanted to stay west of the rockies and was looking for a rigorous STEM program.

Safety:
Oregon State University - accepted, small amount of merit
Gonzaga U - accepted, tons of merit, honors college

Match:
Whitman - accepted, one small scholarship
Occidental - accepted, merit and scholarship

Reach:
U of Chicago - wait listed

Lottery:
Stanford - denied

@Agentninetynine, I liked your use of the descriptor “Lottery” for a school like Stanford. Seems very accurate.

Thanks for sharing. My daughter has very similar stats, so I will be watching this.

I too will be watching this. My kid currently a college freshmen whizzed in with very high stats…the 2nd kid has great intellectual curiousity and wits about him but his ACT is currently a 29 and i’m helping him create a list now. One thing I’ve already noticed – meaningful merit aid will be very difficult.

@TuckerTroy: : This is a great thread! I think your D made a great choice, SMU is an up and coming school IMO. Great resources, great campus, great faculty, great opportunities. Congratulations!

Son had 28 SAT and equivalent to 3.75 GPA from private boarding school.

Accepted:
Brown
Bowdoin
UCLA
UC Berkeley
Amherst
Michigan
George Washington University
NYU

Waitlisted:
Columbia

Rejected:
Georgetown
USC

The vagaries of the college acceptance. Your son was accepted by some fine schools, including Brown @exlibris97 but was rejected from USC? Crazy.

@exlibris97 wow congrats to your son!! What do you think made his application stand out, given his great acceptances?

@SouthernHope and OP - You may already be aware of this, but a number of Catholic colleges will give good merit for a 29 or 30 ACT. In the northeast: Providence would likely be 40-60% off tuition; Loyola MD gives as much as $25,000/year in merit (but they are pricey); U Scranton average award for that ACT is $19,000/year; St. Bonaventure would likely be $20,000/year (and their tuition is under $32,000 to start with). The bigger names like BC and Villanova offer limited merit so they probably won’t work, and Fordham is around $70,000 so even $15,000 doesn’t make much of a dent in that price. Might want to look at St. Louis U, U Dayton, Xavier in the midwest as well…

@LuckyCharms913 You beat me to the punch but I will add Siena and St. Mike’s to the list.

St. Bonaventure has very supportive alumni and very strong corporate support, so financial aid is great. Last year the average cost of attendance with room and board was about $18k. For this you get a lovely campus along the river, great facilities and two nationally ranked basketball teams. Bonnies received record applications and expects a record class for 2020.

If you are posting results, please include any hooks (URM, recruited athlete, first gen, Quest Bridge). Helps when making comparisons.

And yes, many smaller Catholic schools can be generous with merit aid. They just didn’t meet all of my daughter’s criteria. Thanks!

It’s not just the smaller Catholic schools that give decent-to-good merit aid. DePaul University in Chicago gives good merit aid (at least it did 6 years ago when my D was a student there) and it is medium-to-large in size(15,000 undergrads), has a good business school, and is located in a great section of an awesome city. Of course, it IS pretty cold in the winter, if climate is a consideration.

I agree that special circumstances may come into play. The student’s expected major field matters, as do background (including possibly religion).

Some years ago my daughter was in this “ACT group,” but that score, while qualifying her for college study, was less important than her special talent in art – as reflected in her portfolio – since with one exception she only applied to art schools. She was admitted to CMU (design), RISD, MICA, SCAD, and KCAI. Attending RISD meant that she could take a few courses at Brown, which turned out to be critical to her later decision to focus her work on environmental design.

One of my Ds had a 29 ACT and was top 15% with honors & APs just like the OP.

Some of her acceptances with merit offers (yearly):

Agnes Scott 21,000
Allegheny 22,000
Clarkson 9,000
Goucher 21,000
Hobart & William Smith 17,000
Mount Holyoke 15,000
Ohio Wesleyan 28,000
Wells 25,000

Most of these included stipends for some kind of learning experience (about $3000) and acceptance into an honors program.

She had no hooks, and a bunch of the schools had terrific need-based aid as well. At most of them she hadn’t indicated a lot of interest, which is important, so she possibly could have done better. As you can see, you absolutely do NOT need to go to a large or state or catholic school to get money.

As it turned out she’s not attending any on this list, but we were pleasantly surprised by her choices. A few of the schools have been falling all over themselves trying to get her to enroll. I have learned a LOT throughout this process.

DD ACT 30, GPA 4.0, top 2% large suburban HS, looking for Engineering. Minimal ECs, no hooks. Took the ACT only once with no prep, no time to retake, probably would have done better. She had done SAT prep, highest 1960. Panics at standardized tests.

Rejected:
Cornell

Waitlisted:
Lehigh

Lafayette

Accepted:
Union - $ 20,000 merit plus generous FA (family income ~$80,000)
Fairfield - $ 18,000 merit plus generous FA
Hartford - $16,000 and no FA
UCONN (OOS) - $15,000 merit and no FA
Manhattan - $16,000 merit and poor FA
New Paltz (in state)- $5000 merit
Stony Brook (in state) - $4500 merit
Binghamton (in state)

@mom2020 Great results! Congrats!

Funny (well not really that funny) how Binghamton typically offers NO merit-based financial aid to freshman.

I have heard, however, from first hand sources that Bing merit-aid does pour in for upperclassmen with good grades, etc.

congrats @mom2020

Some good schools on that list. My son has looked at Union and Uconn. His GC recommended a few on your list too. My son has similar stats right now, still trying to get them up a bit.