<p>Colleges:</p>
<p>Reaches: U of Notre Dame
Northwestern U</p>
<p>Matches: U of M-AA
Grinnell College</p>
<p>Safeties: MSU
Wayne State</p>
<p>Stats:</p>
<p>ACT 30
GPA UW 3.9</p>
<p>NHS
Class council Pres
Student Congress VP
Oakwood hospital volunteer
Great Books CLub Pres
Nat'l Ranked figure skater</p>
<p>Colleges:</p>
<p>Reaches: MIT, Caltech (EA.) Possibly Stanford.</p>
<p>Matches: U of M, USC, WuSTL</p>
<p>Safeties: MSU (U of M, to some degree.)</p>
<p>Stats: 4.0 uw, 2340 SAT, 36 ACT
National, State Math Awards (2nd in MI), National Quiz Bowl, French Contest, Debate, NHS, FPS, Science Olympiad, Tutoring/Volunteering, 2 summer math programs (Mathcamp, OUSMI.), Math Research.</p>
<p>REACHES: None really, I have a bunch of MATCH/REACHES</p>
<p>MATCHES: Michigan (in-state), Miami FL, Syracuse</p>
<p>SAFETIES: Indiana, Minnesota</p>
<p>Stats: 3.56 uw, 29 ACT</p>
<p>^^^ Tetrahedron, why Michigan? You could go ANYWHERE with those stats. And don't bother applying to State, because Michigan is basically a safety for you.</p>
<p>Michigan is my first option in all likelyhood. I'm in a bit of a financial bind - so that the top private schools are unaffordable, but won't give me much in terms of financial aid. They also don't give merit aid. Also, people with my stats only get past the good stats stage - there's no guarantee I'll get into any of my reach schools.</p>
<p>So Michigan because it's very good, affordable, might give me a merit scholarship, and I would like going there.</p>
<p>Hmmm... what research are you doing?</p>
<p>Sounds good!</p>
<p>I'm not doing any currently, but I did a paper while at Mathcamp. It's based on some properties of cyclotomic polynomials. If you want, I'll PM you a description or the paper itself.</p>
<p>Reach: UPENN
Match: U of M (in state) Wisconsin
Safety: MSU</p>
<p>yay!</p>
<p>A2Wolves, people often do not realize this, but each year, about 500 or so students have to turn down one of the "big 5" (MIT, Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Princeton) to attend Michigan because of cost issues. If you come from a family with an income over $100,000, chances are, you won't get any aid or very little aid...and if you are good enough to get into Harvard or MIT and you are an in-state applicant, chances are, Michigan will give you close to a full ride. So, think about it, those students who will have to play close to $40,000/year to attend Harvard or MIT will be able to attend Michigan for $10,000 or so. No, if your family income is over $200,000, paying $180,000 for a college degree may be acceptable. But if your family income is $130,000 or $140,000, it becomes an entirely different ball game. How do you justify spending an extra $80,000 - $150,000 to attend a university...any university, when you have a top 10 university right next to home that is almost free?</p>
<p>Alexandre - that's exactly the reason Michigan is my #1 choice, that I will be attending if I get accepted.</p>
<p>But of course, I can't get into HYPSM, not even close! Michigan is the only elite school (top 25) I could possibly get into. I'll just hope!</p>
<p>I know A2Wolves. If you look at Michigan's socio-economic makeup, it is pretty clear who choses to attend. 60% of undergrads come from families with $100K+ family incomes.</p>
<p>you'll find all sorts of people at michigan. i had two friends who got accepted to the med school as freshmen back in the early 90s, and as a result turned down harvard. i also had a buddy from highschool who went to ann arbor because he didn't have enough money for dartmouth. had roommates who chose michigan over cornell, duke and virginia for engineering and LSA. more common were friends who got rejected from ivy league schools and were really bummed about having to attend michigan as a safety. however, there was one person i knew who got into brown but applied to michigan too late and got waitlisted. that one really surprised me!</p>
<p>Michigan is probably going to be me choice too. I have 33 ACT, 4.0 GPA, 6/676 class rank, but my family is in the low $100s for income, so getting enough financial aid to go to a private school seems kinda unlikely.</p>
<p>Not stopping me from applying though, because you never know.</p>
<p>Northwestern, NYU, and Columbia</p>
<p>I'm still kinda in the water for a bunch of schools. I don't think I'll be applying to HYPS though, because I don't think I have a chance of getting in.</p>
<p>I'm not sure I can even get into Northwestern and Columbia.</p>
<p>I think my big draws will be that I have a great recommendation from the US Congressman I interned for and my US-Germany exchange program that I participated in through DaimlerChrysler. Other than that I have nothing special going for me.</p>
<p>A 4.0 and a high class rank that you have are the two big factors that could get you into basically any school. Reach high. Apply to schools you are passionate about.</p>
<p>dsmo, your stats are certainly Columbia/Northwestern material. It is your essays that are going to make the difference, so take them seriously. Northwestern loves good essays. But even if you got into Columbia and Northwestern, I would pick Michigan. Michigan is just as respected in academic and professional circles and college life at Michigan is hard to match. </p>
<p>As for NYU, I would not waste the time. </p>
<p>What do you want to major in? It looks like Econ or Business.</p>
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<p>People do turn down the Big Five to come here, but I do not believe the number who do is anything like 500.</p>
<p>michigan tech all the way.</p>
<p>My number was definitely an estimate Hoedown. And I agree, 500 is too high. But it is still in the hundreds. I mean roughly 500 students who enroll into Michigan annually graduate in the top 1% of their class with 4.0 unweighed GPA and SAT scores in the 1500-1600 range (or ACT scores in the 34-36 range). I am sure many (probably in the hundreds, but that is a mere estimate) of those get into at least one of the Big 5 and opt for Michigan. In my four years at Michigan, I came accorss dozens who had done so, but I obviously do not have an exact number.</p>
<p>Yep, we have top students like that at Michigan, but I don't believe all of those students applied to those schools, or if they did apply were admitted. Obviously not every stratospherically-qualified student wants to even apply to the Ivy League. That's one thing that many people on this board (not necessarily you, though) don't seem to grasp easily. Harvard is not the default application for every genius overachieving high school senior.</p>
<p>But of those who do apply to both us and them, and get in? In our experience, most Michigan admittees who get into one of those colleges will go there. MIT being an exception, our "win" rate against MIT is a little more even.</p>
<p>Of course some students who were cross-admits choose Michigan over those places, either for financial reasons or wanting the Michigan experience or some other reason large or small. But from what I'm looking at, way less than 500 per class. We'll likely be redoing the study of admitted students in the next year or two, so we'll see if this holds.</p>
<p>I agree Hoedown. Many of those students probably do not apply to any of the Ivies, and the vast majority of students who get into Michigan and the Big 5 will opt for the Big 5. I look forward to seeing the results of the cross-admits study. I hope they will be released.</p>