<p>I've been thinking about broadening my college search and possibly applying to colleges in Canada and England. However, I'm having a bit of difficulty finding information as an international student. I've found a few things about Canada, but very little on England. However, what I have found about both won't suffice for making a decision if I will apply to either places in the end. Really the most useful thing I've found is just rankings, however, I can't find them for specific majors, just for the overall college. So if anyone can lead me to a general place that would be good to look, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks!</p>
<p>(If there's a website like CC for either place, that would be amazing if you know of such a website)</p>
<p>Yeah, after doing some research, I found those schools and found some information, but I'm having problems finding what each of them are good in. I'm planning on studying business or economics, so I know LSE would be good, and Imperial (which I believe is sort of like the MIT of England) wouldn't be that good of a match for me.</p>
<p>no, no more necessary testing requiring, if I remember correctly (mu sister applied to college in the states before we moved here as an international)</p>
<p>UBC has the top ranked econ faculty in Canada (based on output of graduate and higher level research)</p>
<p>If you're interested in commerce, check out the following Canadian schools:
Schulich (at York U)
Ivey (at U Western Ontario)
Queens
UT/McGill/UBC</p>
<p>U Calgary isn't great in Arts/Social Sciences/Humanities (especially poli sci if you're liberal at all - the faculty is by large very conservative), but excellent in engineering and anything oil-industry related.</p>
<p>If you are doing business or economics, St Andrews is not a top school, and neither is Edinburgh (St Andrews is only known for international relations, and Edinburgh mainly for medicine). The top five schools for economics or business are as follows:</p>
<p>Cambridge/Oxford
London School of Economics
Warwick
University College London</p>
<p>Coincidentally, this is the generally accepted ranking of UK universities overall, if you add in Imperial right after Oxbridge.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that in the UK economics is a far more respected field of study than business, apparently offers better job prospects, and as such will be more competitive for admission than business will. For example economics at LSE is incredibly difficult to get into, and economics at Warwick and UCL are extremely competitive as well. Oxbridge economics/PPE, of course, goes without saying.</p>
<p>In Canada business is more competitive to get into than economics.<br>
Best for business:</p>
<p>So basically Queens is a very well respected school within Canada, but the problem is if you leave Canada very few people have heard of it. With UToronto or any of the UK schools on the list, you will never have that problem.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for the help. I actually picked up the book mentioned and saw the info, but noticed some of the things were a bit lacking (like the scores and such, which is why I asked, but I suppose it's because they don't get enough applicants with those scores to help them).</p>
<p>And thanks nauru for that. I'll definitely have to do more research on the colleges you mentioned. By any chance, do you know what the stats for an American to get into those colleges would be? Just because if they're like the caliber of American colleges, like those would be the equivalent to the top 4 or 5 Business schools in the US, I feel like those would all be reaches for me. However, your help is greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>Don't worry, as an American you generally have an advantage when applying to Canadian universities, but how much easier it will be for you as an American depends on the school. Queens, McGill and possibly Western apparently have lower standards for American applicants. But UToronto and UBC don't give any special consideration to Americans I don't think (or if they do it's not significant.)</p>
<p>The calibre of application required to be accepted to any of the Canadian business programs I mentioned is nowhere near that required for admission to a top 5 US school. Many of the really amazing Canadian students go abroad anyway, normally to top schools in the US or UK. So no, there is no Canadian university that could be considered equivalent to even a top 15 US business school, let alone a top 5 one.</p>
<p>As for exact stats, I can only go by the experiences of people I've known or met on the internet. Canadian schools don't publish "guaranteed acceptance" scores so take it for what it's worth. From what I've seen, anything over 2000 on the SAT and a GPA around 3.5 or higher should keep your app out of the trash bin at all the top Canadian business schools. Then it's your extracurriculars that determine whether you land in the accept or reject pile (this is for Canadian business programs only). The funny thing about this is that Canadian students pretty much need a 90%+ average to stay out of the trash bin, and trust me, 90% in Canada is a lot harder to achieve than 3.5 in the US. The frequency of 90% averages in Canada is about the same as the frequency of 3.9s and higher in the US as far as I've seen in my experience. </p>
<p>For UK schools it will be your AP scores that matter most. </p>
<p>For Canadian econ programs all they will care about is the SAT and GPA. ECs count for nothing. 2000 and 3.5 should be enough to get you accepted to any Canadian econ program.</p>
<p>Well my SAT scores were a 2090 (610 CR 730 M 750 W) and my ACT scores were a 33 (took 2 times, 33 composite each time). GPA wise, I think I should be fine, but I'm not really sure of my GPA on a 4.0 scale because my school does it wierdly. But for the AP scores, how do they work in the UK? I've only taken 3 APs so far (3 on Bio, 4 on Chem, and 5 on Calc AB) and then next year I'll be taking French, Physics C, Calc BC, and English Language (may possibly self study Macro and Micro Economics because my school doesn't offer it, but I'll be taking the regular Economics class). So I'll only have 3 scores, will that be mainly what's counted?</p>
<p>Yeah, I heard about the whole ECs counting for nothing, which would probably benefit me in the sense that I do things, but compared to people on CC, it seems likes I do nothing. And thanks again for all your help.</p>
<p>My guess is that those AP scores will keep you out of top UK schools unfortunately. But I don't know that much about undergrad admissions in the UK, so you should check on the British version of CC. t h e student r o o m dot com. You should be ok for Canada, but you may not get into all of the Canadian business programs you apply to.</p>
<p>That's what I was thinking when you said that AP scores were most important. But is that the only thing they look at? Because apart from my Bio AP score, I feel like most of my other stuff is decent enough, maybe not for the very top, but relatively higher scores. But that's if I'm depending on my ACT scores, which I don't know how international schools will view them.</p>
<p>And you seem to know more about Canadian colleges, so I'll try and get some of my questions out about them. Do you know if they accept ACT scores in lieu of SAT and SAT2 scores?</p>
<p>And thanks for telling me about that site, I was looking for a CC type of forum for schools in Canada and the UK, but I had difficulties finding one, so that will definitely help. Thanks!</p>
<p>Oh, and another quick question. I'm a British citizen, but a permanent American resident. We're in the process of becoming American citizens, but I believe my parents intend to be duel citizens (if that's possibly). Assuming I can keep my British citizenship, will that impact my application to the UK in any way? And if so, would it be positive or negative?</p>
<p>And how does the ability to pay for full tuition come into play? My parents make enough that they are ready to pay my full tuition for all my years in college and I'm wondering if that would benefit me in any ways in the UK or Canada.</p>
<p>In the UK your tuition is determined by your place of residence, not your nationality (unless one of your parents is a diplomat). It won't affect the admission decision though. Ability to pay doesn't affect anything, since Canadian and British schools are horribly stingy about giving out any aid whatsoever. Even for the most phenomenal student would be very lucky to get $5000 per year in a merit-based scholarship. 99.99% of students at Canadian universities get either negligible aid or none at all.</p>
<p>As for ACT I know nothing about it. If you want the Canadian CC site, type "student awards forum" into google, and it should be the first hit.</p>
<p>You should direct these more difficult questions to people on each of the forums I mentioned. They will know more.</p>
<p>Ok, thanks for telling the the sites. That alone helps. All of the information that you have provided me have been amazingly useful. So thanks again for your time!</p>
The funny thing about this is that Canadian students pretty much need a 90%+ average to stay out of the trash bin, and trust me, 90% in Canada is a lot harder to achieve than 3.5 in the US. The frequency of 90% averages in Canada is about the same as the frequency of 3.9s and higher in the US as far as I've seen in my experience.
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<p>Well, I must admit that's a little flawed because you could probably get into any university in Canada with a 90% average in the "higher standard" stream - English 10/20/30, Pure Mathematics 10/20/30, Mathematics 31 (Uni-level Calculus), Physics 20/30, Chemistry 20/30, Biology 20/30, Social Studies 10/20/30. The IB program is undoubtedly significantly more challenging than these, as well as the AP program. To get into McGill, an American student would need a GPA similar to a 90% average, which would have to include lots of APs. So it seems like it's more difficult for an American student to get into a Canadian school. Does anyone know if it is any harder for a Canadian opposed to an American to get into a top US school?</p>