Which candidate has better stats for Harvard?

Applying to College
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<p>WITHOUT GOING INTO ECs:</p>

<p>Candidate 1:
4.0 GPA
2350 SAT
13 AP classes (mostly 5s)
Ranked 1/550
Asian (Chinese)</p>

<p>Candidate 2:
3.8 GPA
2250 SAT
9 AP classes (mostly 5s)
Ranked 30/550
African American</p>

<p>Who has better stats for Harvard assuming that ECs are equally amazing?</p>

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<p>What’s the point of this?</p>

<p>I would say candidate 2 though, given similar EC’s essays recs etc</p>

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<p>at first glance Candidate 1 beats Candidate 2 by a mile in all categories, but then again race is a big factor. I agree with impetuous, Candidate 2 has a better shot at getting in</p>

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<p>Candidate 2</p>

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<p>Candidate 2</p>

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<p>Sadly, it’s candidate 2 by a lot.</p>

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<p>End Affirmative Action!</p>

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<p>Candidate 2 without a doubt. Affirmative Action sux</p>

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<p>Candidate 2.</p>

<p>What is the point of this thread?</p>

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<p>Harvard doesn’t care about “stats” in a vacuum. According to Harvard, so long as the applicant has scored a 600 CR on the SAT, s/he is qualified to do the work. Therefore, both applicants are more than qualified for admission to Harvard.</p>

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<p>Candidate 2.</p>

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<p>Candidate 2 and it should be obvious; you could knock another 100-150 points off the SAT score and still get the same result. </p>

<p>Is this going to end up being yet another thread where we lament the affirmative action methods currently in place? Yes, they suck – now what?</p>

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<p>Harvard is big on AA from what I’ve heard so probably #2. I’m sure candidate #1 would have a better chance at other schools though. </p>

<p>Some may think this is unfair, but when it really comes down to it, Harvard gets thousands of applicants more qualified than either of these candidates so what’s the point of accepting another average Asian? An AA adds diversity to their class and allows them to boast about their % of accepted of ‘colored’ students…</p>

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<p>Seriously? If you get a 600 on CR you have a chance at getting into Harvard?!?!?!!?!?</p>

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<p>Your question is obvious: Candidate one has better stats. Anyone can read that 4.0>3.8 and 2350>2250</p>

<p>But your flaming attempt ends there.</p>

<p>That being said, you may get 25 kids like candidate 1 an 3 kids like candidate 2 and what he/she can offer. You have three slots. I’d say one goes to one of the 2nd subgroup. That’s life. Live with it. Got an issue? Get on the Harvard Corporation.</p>

<p>So what’s yer freaking point? You pretend that stats in a vacuum is what should only be important to Harvard. Patently not. You lose.</p>

<p>(I’m Chinese BTW – don’t pit me against hypothetical black kids – it’s unseemly)</p>

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<p>T26E4 got it right. It’s all about what’s available. If there’s too much of you, they don’t want you. </p>

<p>Also,
“Who has better stats for Harvard assuming that ECs are equally amazing?” <—impossible
Extracurricular activities don’t work that way. You can’t have candidates with equally amazing ECs. A candidate’s ECs may be exactly the same but they won’t be equal because it all depends on how those activities fit into the person’s profile, and their application as a whole.</p>

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<p>T26E4: feel free to give up your seat to whomever you want to if that’s possible, but you cannot speak for all Chinese. Your individual willingness to obey an unjust practice does not reduce the rights of other Chinese students.</p>

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<p>Like I said, take it up with the corporation. I certainly don’t speak for all Chinese. But I take umbrage that the OP pitted a high achieving Chinese against a slightly lower GPA/SAT black applicant.</p>

<p>If they’ve set aside X no. of slots for URMs athletes legacy and development and science/math whizzes or oboe players – what can I say but for the aspiring applicant to try to be unique and stand out from the crowd. Is it more difficult for the typical Asian or white kid to do this? Yes, that’s what we’ve all seen. But we aren’t talking about a school that only accepts students based on metrics (GPA, tests) are we? Like I said, if you’ve got a problem w/that, take it up with the Corporation. Otherwise, do your best, or apply to one of the voluminous colleges that’ll be glad to have top performing Asians/Whites.</p>

<p>Look, I fully understand that if my half Chinese/half Italian kid with straight As applies to HYPMS or top LACs, the chances are against her with the exception of legacy at one of the HYPs. Those are the numbers. But I personally find it noisome to point a finger at a black person and say he/she"took" my kid’s spot. 1) She’s not entitled to one, 2) many reasons for anyone to be passed over and 3) she’s competing against other suburban high achieving kids in her sub-group – not URMs, not track recruits, not top kids from Wyoming or S Dakota or Utah, not kids from Korea or Pakistan.</p>

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<p>^ If one is mixed, would s/he apply as both? Or can s/he just choose the race that’s either considered a URM/not a complete ORM?</p>

<p>(i.e., if you’re half black and half Asian, it would probably be in your favor to apply as “black.” But would this be deceitful?)</p>

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<p>The thing is, these flames against AA don’t work. You can’t just say ECs are equally amazing. And what about the essay and recs? Those are equally important. You should definitely mention socio economic status.</p>