<p>mom2collegekids, really? wow!</p>
<p>So, are Harvard Business School and Kenan-Flagler peer schools? </p>
<p>So, Yale Law and UNC Law are peer schools? </p>
<p>So, Berkeley Engineering Schools and UNC Engineering schools are peer schools? </p>
<p>I don’t think I can agree with that, and I’m quite sure that the vast majority of the educated people would agree with me.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>According to USNews…I am correct…</p>
<p>[Rankings</a> - Best Law Schools - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings]Rankings”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings)</p>
<p>^ But US News did not rank them according to academic prestige.</p>
<p>The argument was whether they are tier 1…and they are.</p>
<p>^ Please know that the OP was trying to ask.</p>
<p>I know what the OP was trying to ask. I have “talked” with the OP many times. </p>
<p>Please know that my post #42 was in response to a quote, not in response to the OP’s question. That should have been quite obvious, but if you didn’t notice that, now you’ve been told.</p>
<p>And, if the OP is in-state for UNC-CH (I’m trying to remember if he is), then it really is a no-brainer because he has a high EFC that his parents can’t afford. His parents could afford in-state UNC-CH. More to that, his stats won’t warrant merit he’d need to go to UMich OOS. This whole thread may be moot if UNC-CH is his affordable choice.</p>
<p>Michigan and North Carolina are both prestigious schools with strong academics. Michigan would be considered by most to be more prestigious but it is not sufficiently more prestigious that I would choose to go there over North Carolina for the prestige factor. I would make exceptions for law and business where the programs at Michigan are significantly more prestigious than those at North Carolina. The North Carolina alums who I have met are extremely successful and very passionate about their experience at UNC. Same for Michigan alums. Look for the better fit.</p>
<p>In general I would agree with Alexandre’s assessment of the prestige factor except that I think Illinois suffers in the prestige factor due to its inability to attract large numbers of OOS students. I also agree with mom2collegekids that UNC instate is a better value than Michigan OOS absent a strong preference from Michigan that would justify the extra cost.</p>
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<p>No, but UNC and Michigan are peers, and most reasonable people would agree with that assumption. Even Michigan people like Alexandre acknowledge as much.</p>
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<p>You were the one who brought up the whole “tier” thing to begin with. Most rankings have UNC’s graduate programs solidly in the first tier. Your own personal rankings do not. The only thing up for debate is whether the OP (and others reading the thread) want to trust BusinessWeek and USNWR’s system of rankings or RML’s system of rankings.</p>
<p>RML – you created ad hoc tiers, got busted for it. Sometimes it’s simply the better part of valor to say: “you know what, I did make that up out of thin air … I retract the tier statements. Those are MY tiers, not anyone else’s”.</p>
<p>DunninLA, if you can show to me that you know more about this “tier” topic than I do then I will take your words. But up until you can do that, I’m not taking your posts seriously. </p>
<p>Explain to me how Kenan-Flagler is in the same tier as Harvard Business School’s or Stanford Business School’s.</p>
<p>I live in MD and around here UNC is more impressive and prestigious than UMich. Anybody smart kid can get into UMich, only the brilliant OOS get in UNC</p>
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A fair and balanced post. I agree 100%.</p>
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Any thread with posts by RML will have gone off topic, usually for the sake of grinding an axe. He is by far the most unhelpful poster I’ve seen. </p>
<p>UNC is as weak in relation to Michigan as Michigan is to Berkeley. Considering most people consider Michigan and Berkeley peers, it is no stretch of the imagination to assume that Michigan and UNC are likewise peers.</p>
<p>For someone who attended a public school and seemingly holds them in high esteem, RML’s stance on one of the best publics in the US seems highly unusual. A university ranked with Brown is not “academically prestigious”? Is someone smoking something, in the best Berkeley tradition?</p>
<p>I live in MD and around here UNC is more impressive and prestigious than UMich. Anybody smart kid can get into UMich, only the brilliant OOS get in UNC</p>
<p>The difficulty in OOS admissions to UNC is primarily the result of restrictions on the limited number of slots for OOS admissions at UNC rather than the intelligence of those who are admitted. The number of OOS at UNC is less than half of the number of OOS at Michigan. OOS adds to the prestige of public institution.</p>
<p>“UNC is as weak in relation to Michigan as Michigan is to Berkeley. Considering most people consider Michigan and Berkeley peers, it is no stretch of the imagination to assume that Michigan and UNC are likewise peers.”</p>
<p>Michigan, like Berkeley, has NO weaknesses in it’s academic offerings. The two schools are truly the only national publics that can make this statement. I would never put UNC as a peer of UCB. I could see UNC being a peer of Michigan however. Just as I could see Michigan being a peer of Berkeley.</p>
<p>“I live in MD and around here UNC is more impressive and prestigious than UMich. Anybody smart kid can get into UMich, only the brilliant OOS get in UNC”</p>
<p>It’s a regional thing in your case. As far as I’m concerned, Michigan is “more impressive and prestigious” north of the Mason-Dixon line.</p>
<p>“The number of OOS at UNC is less than half of the number of OOS at Michigan. OOS adds to the prestige of public institution.”</p>
<p>Absolutely correct. This is particularly so in the northeast, where many Michigan students matriculate from.</p>
<p>hippo.
RML didn’t attend UC Berkeley. His Asian wife did and they now live in Asia. He’s Italian and went to Cambridge. As you’ve probably noticed, the ONLY thing that matters to RML is perceptions of prestige. And he is absolutely convinced that UC Berkeley (and U Michigan to a slightly lesser extent) is next in line after HYPM. He absolutely does not understand US colleges and the great quality and breadth that we have here. But his unrestrained and clueless cheerleading does provide plenty of entertainment, so get some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the reading….:)</p>
<p>I really think it’s funny when non-Americans come onto a site like CC and insist that because ABC University is prestigious in Uzbekistan, then most Americans who know ABC and see ABC as a back-up to the top privates must be proven wrong. LOL.</p>
<p>Michigan for football; UNC for basketball.</p>
<p>Another thing to keep in mind is diversity. If you visit Michigan from mid-November to early March the first thing you’ll notice about the campus is that it is 100% white…</p>
<p>(ok, sorry, lame attempt at a joke).</p>
<p>^ Cuse, that was very lame. The Ivy League schools would apply under that same metric.</p>