Which College Selection Criteria Would You Try To Talk Your Kid Out Of, If Any

I’m not in favor of parents pushing their alma mater or making a big deal out of a child’s interest in a rival school. I see a lot of that around here.

My S1 was interested in a specific program which was not offered at our flagship U or its rival which is in our hometown. So we skipped that rodeo altogether. His first choice was also a safety. I asked him if he wanted to look at more “reachy” schools that were also more expensive and in a different part of the country. He said no and I didn’t ask again.

I did not discourage specific criteria but rather the combination of criteria because that school did not exist. DS wanted less than 25K students, ABET accredited engineering, within “a couple of hours” from home, D1 sports, and NOT urban. He got all but the distance from home and agrees that it was the least important of his criteria once we looked at schools. The 4.5 hour drive or 1 hour flight home is quite manageable.

I asked my older son to apply to our alma mater, because I thought it would give him a better education than his safeties. But I supported him 100% when he chose a different school that was very strong in his major. (And believe me there was no way he was changing majors!)

My kids had three criteria. The first was no sports culture. Sports was okay except for football but they didn’t want a school where the primary socializing was done at or around games of any type. The second was it had to be far enough away that H could not just show up and surprise them. They knew I would call, even if they were just 5 minutes away, but H doesn’t have that capacity. SInce he doesn’t fly, schools that are 4 hours or more away sufficed. The third was that it not be rural but not be near a large city. Since the large city near us is NYC, they sort of think of places like Boston and D.C. as being fairly small, so that was not a big challenge.

The next criterion was the program and my most important was the cost. I told them that I would pay a SUNY tuition but if they wanted anything else, they were on their own for the difference.

All 3 of my kids who went away for school chose a SUNY, although they got into privates.

Not a parent, but I cringe a little every time a student (or parent) mentions proximity to home. Trying new things and experiencing new surroundings is part of becoming a well-rounded person with a more global perspective, which results in an overall more nimble and sophisticated intellect. Not to mention that people need to learn how to navigate life on their own and be content with their own company.

I would try to talk my child out of considering cost. If he really loves one of the state colleges to which he gets in, or a college at which he get a merit award (if he gets one), then I will be very glad to see him attend it (above other choices). But I worry that he might try to be considerate of us, since he is such a thoughtful kid, and say he likes a less expensive choice when he would really prefer another. We are lucky in that his going to a more expensive school won’t mean that we can’t afford our other bills or will starve; we will be okay. I don’t want him to have regrets… although, in truth, he has the type of personality where he would find challenge and fulfillment wherever he goes.

I would also try to talk him out of choosing based on rank, if he got into two colleges and seemed to like the lower-ranked one more. That is assuming that the two colleges are close enough that the students at each would be similar enough in ability not to affect the school culture. He should go to the one that is the better fit, even if Forbes or US News “prefers” the other.

Of course, all this is theoretical since he has not applied to any schools yet. Sometimes, reading College Confidential, I feel he will be lucky to get in anywhere at all, never mind having a choice! (Just nerves talking here- he likes colleges at a range of selectivities and I think he will craft his list well. But boy is this process scary!)

If I were the parent of a child with a boyfriend or girlfriend, I definitely would not want them to pick their college for proximity to that person, particularly if they were choosing a college that was a less good fit for them. Relationships may change or end. And if the relationship is truly that special, it will last despite the distance.

we did make a rule about distance… I wanted to be able to drive, not “have to” fly… my hat is off to all of you west coasters go to New England, and East coasters who go to CA- not what I wanted to do. Still gave us a big range, we are midwest (OH) and kid applied to schools as far away as Boston and Minneapolis. (not a FUN drive, but could be done in a day.) She ended up 8 hours from home… I would have liked closer, but she is happy, and that is what matters

I told my boys no fraternities. Sororities are fine if they were girls but no fraternities.

However, most college students are financially constrained to commute to the nearby community college and/or state university, since they do not have the academic credentials to get into good-financial-aid schools or earn big merit scholarships, and their parents do not have the money for something that costs more than commuting to the nearby community college and/or state university.

You mean that any college where there are any fraternities is out, or just that your boys cannot join fraternities? The former is far more restrictive than the latter.

Wow, thanks for all of the great feedback everyone.

@kiddie, I would definitely draw the line at the Dunkin Donuts criteria :slight_smile: As far as school size goes, it will be my daughter’s choice in the end. I’m just going on my gut. I think she’d flounder at a big school, but there’s no way of really knowing. I think my second child would like a big school. I’d still prefer a small school for her, but I’d be less worried about her at a big school.

@colfac92, I agree that you have to respect your child’s preferences. When I think back to the schools I first had in mind for my daughter, it makes me laugh. They would have been great for me, but not for her. I like Grinnell, she likes Union and Lehigh. I think that sums it up pretty concisely. I like your idea of trying to get her to articulate why her criteria are important to her. Thanks.

@TTG, both of us were well beyond the HYPS thing within a couple of weeks of getting on CC. I hope things are going as well as you see it. I think they are, but we’ll see. I’m still worried we’re running out of time! Thanks for the encouragement.

@thumper1, I might need your help in a few years. My youngest is an artsy one. I’ve been pushing the HS Junior to consider schools that are far away, just to open up the possibilities. Santa Clara is at the top of my list. From my perspective, it’s perfect for her in every way except location. Do you mind if I PM you about SC?

I’ll end here instead of writing a wall of text, but I have a lot more questions. I’ll get back on tomorrow.

Thanks everyone.

We discussed financial parameters and distance from home. No west coast schools. I also didn’t want a school that was perceived as being intense ( whether it’s true or not) and she agreed.

My other D went to SUNY and was very happy. She fit in beautifully and had a great 4 years.

The 4 years fly by. Affordability and fit are key- and this will be different for everybody. By the time we get a short break from choosing a school it seems that they are juniors and we move on to the next set of issues- possible careers, internships etc. You also have to know your kid- and sometimes we make mistakes in that dept. Some kids are more adaptable than others.

I had a few strong ‘preferences’ - no religious affiliation; not so far away that we couldn’t reasonably drive (so many schools in the eastern U.S.); no schools with very heavy/dominating fraternity presence. But my kids knew that if they had a really good reason for wanting to consider a particular school that fell into one of those categories, and could make a thoughtful case for it, I would absolutely support them (I just wasn’t going to help with the researching, etc. That would be up to them). None of them did.

What we did was establish what we would contribute and we required at least one in state safety. Beyond that we let both our Ds set their own parameters. We did discuss why they thought the way they did and neither one really had anything I would have objected to. I was rather glad when D1 got rejected by NU. I didn’t want to have to drive through Chicago everytime I wanted to visit. I didn’t try and talk her out of it though.

For D16, the only restrictions we had was a specific budget that could accommodate OOS tuition at some, but not all, public universities. Her search was very much major-driven as she was interested in majors that are mostly found at land-grant universities . She banned herself from the south (including her home state of VA) and heavily red states. Anything that narrowed the search was fine by us - there are a lot of schools! She ended up 1500 miles away and found a perfect fit.

S19 will probably pick a more traditional major in a STEM field. He hasn’t expressed any preferences other than staying within a half day’s drive of home and having the option to play in a student orchestra as a non-music major. He’ll probably end up in VA, at a mid-Atlantic school, or maybe in NC or OH. It will be much easier to visit before applying in his case!

We didn’t really put many restrictions on our D’s search. We did caution her about price and what we were comfortable with as far as annual tuition. There are only a handful of schools that are within that range that I don’t want her to attend. For these schools I told her that if she goes to one of those, then don’t expect me to pay anything. But that was really only a small handful and they weren’t well known for her intended major anyway. I think she made a good choice out of the options she had. I would have ranked her 4th choice higher but other than that, she thought through her options and her logic for her selection was very sound.

Outside of my handful of schools, she was pretty much open to anywhere within our budget. Same restriction will apply to my younger D.

It’s actually pretty simple…

IMPORTANT Selection Criteria:
-Retention rate
-4 year graduation rate
-Affordability

UNIMPORTANT Selection Criteria:
-Status/ranking
-Whether people have “heard of” it or not

@ChoatieMom It takes a very special kind of person to see the “ultimate sacrifice” as a small price to pay for the honor of protecting the freedom of others in our great country! I appreciate your son’s service. We need more people willing to put others first. Here’s to another “Greatest Generation”!

Retention and graduation rates have a high correlation with admission selectivity, unless you are referring to rates relative to those expected for the school’s admission selectivity.

Rather than eliminate certain criteria from the decision-making process, I think that the most helpful thing you can do for your daughter is to talk through what she expects of each of the criteria she’s set and then make sure she fully understands the tradeoffs. This is one of those situations in which there really is no right answer—just best fits.

For example, the benefit of going to a school in a city is that you can take advantage of everything the city offers – clubs, music, concerts, restaurants, museums, shops. The challenge for many kids is that most of those things cost money (even with student discounts where offered). In addition, when students entertain themselves off campus on a regular basis, the feeling of community is generally dim inished. Many students feel that the energy of the campus is siphoned off. Then again, a lot of kids who went to boarding schools think that is a good thing – they are “so done” with being around the same group of people 24/7. In other words, the experience of going to school in a city will be very different than going to a school in the middle of nowhere even if many of the other characteristics are the same. If your child can articulate clearly, though, what his/her expectations and preferences are and they are all met in a city school (and not in a remote one), I think it’s fine to honor that.

I would also encourage kids to think about how they learn best. There are people who are happy to search the internet, read a manual, watch a YouTube video – to get information. They are good at teaching themselves and independently solving their own learning issues. That type of learner would probably do much better in a large college setting one than one who really wants at more interactive environment. A kid who is a hands-on learner who wants a lot of internships, however, is unlikely to find them at an isolated school, so one of the schools that has co-ops in a city could be right for them.

I would also encourage kids to think about whether they think they WANT relationships with professors. If the answer is yes, they should think about whether they have the skills to make those connections in a larger setting. A friend who has taught at several state flagships describes them as schools that are ideal for “student entrepreneurs” – amazing resources are there, but you need to be strategic and aggressive in actually getting them. In a school with smaller classes, the connection will happen with less effort – in fact, often with none. For lots of students, that is a plus. For some, though, it’s a turn-off.

Kids aren’t always encouraged to think deeply and honestly (and non-judgmentally) about who they really are and what they want (or that sometimes what they think they want to be is incompatible with who they are.) It’s very easy for them to get swept up in what’s going on around them – which schools are “hot” with classmates, where friends are going, the recommendations of teachers, parents, and other adult friends. And of course, it’s hard – not having done this before – to fully appreciate what is entailed in each choice. I would think that as a parent who is being a good listener (rather than a persuader), you could be really helpful to your child as he/she tries to decide what really matters.