<p>Wimmiamx2006</p>
<p>Actually AAST (which kiked ur ass at ARML and Harvard/MIT last year) has definitely more olympiads (math, chem, physics, etc etc) in general than you guys. You guys had Tian Kai and some other jedis, but we're kicking ur ass pretty quickly given our school's only 10 years old ; )</p>
<p>Avg @ BA is 1474~ its amazing how the average at TJ is a round number =X.</p>
<p>TJ Virginia vs Stuy New York</p>
<p>Enrollment: 420 vs 700
Average SAT: 1500 vs 1420
NMF 165 vs 110</p>
<p>A public high school, free education == > beats all your private schools....</p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson High School (TJ), Virginia. </p>
<p>Enrollment 420, According to partial report (333 reporting):</p>
<p>This Year they at least send 11 to Harvard, 21 to Princeton, 37 Duke, 10 MIT,
8 Yale and 9 Standford.</p>
<p>If includes all ivys, Mit, duke and stanford, then they send approx 100 each year consistantly in past 10 years.
<a href="http://www.tjhsst.edu/%7Elouyang/college/destinations%5B/url%5D">http://www.tjhsst.edu/~louyang/college/destinations</a></p>
<p>Average senior SAT score 1500, highest number and % of national merit finalists in past 15 out 16 years in the nation, this year 165. It also fielded more USAMO qualifiers than any other high school in America.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas...nd_Techn%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas...nd_Techn</a> ology
<a href="http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/suptapps/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=10%5B/url%5D">http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/suptapps/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=10</a></p>
<p>I think you've overstated TJ's performance a bit.</p>
<p>"TJ Virginia vs Stuy New York</p>
<p>Enrollment: 420 vs 700
Average SAT: 1500 vs 1420
NMF 165 vs 110"</p>
<p>Stuff like this is a pretty poor gauge of how good a high school is. Maybe you mean which school has the best college application results but that is a pretty funny way to evaluate a school. There are all kinds of confounding factors there anyway, by looking at admissions results you are looking at way more than just how well a school educates kids.</p>
<p>Remember TJ is a public school and education there is free. The most kids' families are not rich as same as yours. Many middle familys' students chose UVA (it is a very good university, in-state, cost-effective) instead of going to ivys because of they the moeny restrains.</p>
<p>They have the highest number and % National Merit Finalists in the nation, and have more USAMO qualifires than any school in America. Period!</p>
<p>Because NMSF and USAMO are the definitive way to gauge the worth of a high school...</p>
<p>I know right, these public tech schools do not compare to the elite preps like Andover and Exeter.</p>
<p>You can't compare a specialized math/science school that is a somewhat vocational to an the superelite preps like Exeter and Andover who offer the liberal arts and everything in between. The students who go to Exeter and Andover excel in a multitude of interests/subjects not just math/science. Just as many would say Harvard and Yale produces more leaders than Caltech or MIT, most would say that Exeter and Andover surpasses TJ virgina, stuy in the kind of elite, harkness style education that they offer.</p>
<p>Being great means more than having USAMO qualifers.</p>
<p>@diamondt:</p>
<p>while i don't know much about tj in virginia, i can tell you that stuyvesant is far from a vocational school that is good only for math/science. the courses and resources that stuy provides in the humanities are exceptional. while it may have started out as a specialized math/science school, it is much more than that today, and it does indeed provide a broad variety of opportunities. the analogy that stuy is to andover as caltech is to harvard is highly inaccurate. usamo qualifiers are not the only thing that makes stuy great; in fact, we have more students involved in speech and debate, theater and model UN than are in math team or science olympiad. while i'm not saying the stuy is better than andover or exeter, the fact is that stuyvesant provides an amazing education that rivals the education in those schools, and is still able to provide it for free.</p>
<p>You might want to explain the Harkness table, method of teaching/learning, and benefits (and liabilities for those who come to class unprepared or are extremely shy) to those who don't know about it. That could of course, be a new thread;)</p>
<p>TJ probably won a lot of UN Model contests, debates, future problem solving, National Writing contests, etc. In these contests we oftern saw the envy from students all around the country.</p>
<p>In HYPM, TJ kids are well known on these campus both for the sheer number and accomplishment. The most active and biggest high school almuni block there again is TJ. </p>
<p>In term of liberal art study, if any number can be compared, TJ beats
Exeter and Andover by wide margin in average Verbal and Writing Scores in SATs!</p>
<p>Such a good quality high school with free education is definitely not compatible with any school which your parents need to spend $30,000 each year.</p>
<p>It may have changed, but the private boarding schools used to do a poor job (or rather no job at all!!) of preparing students for what are now called SAT Reasoning and Subject Tests. I totally aced all of those tests (before they were recentered=inflated), but I was far from valedictorian, and the top students didn't have test scores anywhere near mine. And it wasn't from test prep, because there was no such thing that anyone I know had heard of.
There was also no emphasis, encouragement, etc. of entering national competitions, etc. except for sports, where the leagues have existed for a long-time and the system is set.
And yet everyone I know who ever went to that school has said that college and grad school was nowhere near as challenging.
Many people complained that they would have been valedictorian at their hometown school.
So I guess the question is: "Is it more important to beat all the metrics and win all the competitions, and use that all as a means of getting into the biggest-name school? Or do you go to a school to see what you can do in the most challenging environment available?
Anyone know what the environment is like at TJ? It sounds fascinating....I'd love to know what the vibe is like there. Anyone from TJ on the board?</p>
<p>Firtst of all, TJ has not won any "a lot" of Model UN's. AAST goes to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, GW, BU/MIT, JHU conferences every year. Not once did we ever see them in 3 years. ON the other hand, schools like Dalton Horace Mann etc. etc. have consitently competitive teams. </p>
<p>Oh and accordin to worth magazine, the highesy yielding public school into HYP is Hunter College HS (NYC). something like 10~11%. #1 i think was either Brearly or Roxbury Latin (~20%)</p>
<p>so do these schools also send tons of students to schools like stanford? or do they just "feed" into northeastern schools?</p>
<p>Some student bodies are more "national", and some more regional. Andover, which generally has students from virtually every state and many foreign countries, usually sends 7-8 students a year to Stanford.</p>
<p>At one point Harvard accepted only 6 students IN CALIFORNIA! but this year my cousins school sent 8 kids</p>
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<p>When? 1720?</p>
<p>What are you people on about? Everyone knows Eton College is the best school in the world.</p>
<p>Byerly Hall (and maybe Byerly the member can attest to this) considers Roxbury Latin the best high school in the world. Honestly, they jokingly refer to it as the "one true secondary school". </p>
<p>And I go to one of R-L's athletic rivals, so I'm not trying to boast here.</p>
<p>^^ I would almost agree with that. Roxbury Latin is such a phenomenal school.</p>